Reconstruction talk:Old English/windmylen

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Old English. The existence of a Old English *windmylen appears to be highly improbable, as I'm not aware of any evidence of windmills in England (or anywhere in Northern Europe) before the late 1100s. There seems to be a general consensus that this is when windmills made their first appearance in these parts; for instance:

1977 December, Phillip Rahtz, Donald Bullough, “The parts of an Anglo-Saxon mill”, in Anglo-Saxon England, volume 6, →DOI, page 19:
The windmill is not recorded before the last decades of the twelfth century, when it appears in Normandy and England almost simultaneously.

Of course, it's possible that speakers of Old English could've coined Old English *windmylen to refer to either foreign windmills or some other device, but "could've" isn't a strong enough basis for such a reconstruction. Given the information we have, there's no reason to think they did, as there's nothing stopping Middle English wyndmylne from being a ME formation; the various words for "windmill" in the Germanic languages are not evidence against this, as they could easily be parallel formations. Hazarasp (parlement · werkis) 10:34, 28 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Delete. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 20:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Delete. Thanks, @Hazarasp, it is often forgotten how primitive corn production was in the past. What are the terminologic predecessors? (Because of their methodological deficiency) Wikipedia is doing a terrible job at bringing order into types of mills, even though having a whole list article for types of mills. Randomly distributed content at Gristmill, Mill (grinding), Milling (machining), but they don’t have the original pounding mill known to the Slavs as *stǫ̀pa, only German Wikipedia Stampfmühle—yea, I am noting that we lack not few terms and etymological accuracy in present ones. The term treadmill is a 19th-century invention. Fay Freak (talk) 01:01, 30 March 2022 (UTC)Reply
Delete. Nicodene (talk) 12:48, 23 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

RFD-deleted This, that and the other (talk) 08:05, 24 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

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