Talk:網処
RFV discussion: January 2016–February 2017
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Rfv-sense "website"; there are only two pages of Google results for google:"網処の" -"辞典", google:"の網処" -"辞典", and google:"網処を" -"辞典", a decent percentage of which seem to have been written by non-natives. (yes I am implying that jisho.org is responsible for half of the results)
Should I also rfv the other sense too? Exactly zero Google results on those pages seem to relate to fishing.—suzukaze (t・c) 12:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- EDICT has the meaning. And also means "URL" too. (Look at WWWJDIC; I rely on this site) --Octahedron80 (talk) 12:07, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Its appearance in EDICT means nothing. Wiktionary includes words that people actually use. —suzukaze (t・c) 12:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- You ought to know that not every words in (any) dictionaries are actually used; they are published and referable. Wiktionary is a dictionary too. --Octahedron80 (talk) 12:14, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Edict is not considered a reliable source. We're following WT:CFI here.This is not an RFD page here. You don't have to vote but provide evidence for the entry to be kept. Otherwise, it'll be deleted in due course. --Anatoli T. (обсудить/вклад)
- I found one on this page: http://ishigaki-island-nagura-amparu.jimdo.com/ --Octahedron80 (talk) 12:32, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Also this at the bottom: http://www.shi-yaku-jin-no-hokora.org/ --Octahedron80 (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
- Octahedron80, those are websites, which do not meet WT:CFI requirements for term citations.
- The first is, oddly, on http://www.jimdo.com/, what appears to be a US-based "create-your-own-website" service, suggesting that the original page creator / maintainer might have been from the US. The linked page itself mostly consists of the line "新しい網処へ * To the new website" at http://www.ishigaki-island-nagura-amparu.org/. This latter site contains zero instances of the term 網処: google:site:ishigaki-island-nagura-amparu.org "網処"
- The second site clearly states that "shi-yaku-jin no hokora is both this virtual online shrine and an actual, small, family-owned, • minzoku NEO-shintô shrine located in the Twin Cities, Minnesota." This suggests that the Japanese on the site might not be reflective of native-speaker usage.
- The only reputable native-Japanese reference work I could find that includes this term at all is the 世界大百科事典 (Sekai Dai-Hyakka Jiten, “Big World Encyclopedia”), in the entry here on the Kotobank reference aggregator site. In this case, the term literally means “net place”, as the 処 “place” where a stationary 網 “net” would be set up to catch fish. The reading would presumably be amido or the contracted form ando, or possibly amidokoro. This entry on the less-reputable Glosbe site lists this older meaning as well as the purported new meaning of website, but again, Glosbe is not known for the quality of its entries.
- google:"網処" "は" (adding the "は" to explicitly capture just Japanese texts) generates 1,210 apparent hits as shown at the top of the page, collapsing to just 108 when paging through (though apparently listing 113 actual hit links). Some of these are scannos, and some more are just dictionary listings. I cannot find many instances of this term used to mean website, and those few that I *can* find are 1) often in contexts suggesting non-native users of Japanese, and 2) not sufficient for WT:CFI.
- I suspect that this is a rare protologism. Searching Google Books for this term in works since 1990 doesn't find any apparent uses with the website sense.
- It appears that this term does not yet meet WT:CFI. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 21:50, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
RFV failed. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
RFV discussion: August–October 2017
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The "website" sense was questionable; the "fishing net place" sense is equally questionable. —suzukaze (t・c) 03:29, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Given previous research on this putative term, my current view is that this is not current Japanese. I certainly couldn't find sufficient cites to meet CFI, in any sense. The Kotobank entry is only a mention anyway. ‑‑ Eiríkr Útlendi │Tala við mig 08:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- RFV failed.__Gamren (talk) 15:52, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
The 網処 entries were added to the JMdict/EDICT database in February 2010 by Hendrik, a translator living in Okinawa. He has contributed many rare terms. You can see his original submission on the page at: http://nihongo.monash.edu/dicsubs/2010-02/subs2010-02-19.html (near the bottom.) As you'll see he has provided a number of URLs in support. I just googled 網処 and have come across a few other pages supporting the 網処(あみどころ entry. See the page at http://blog.goo.ne.jp/zenyossha/e/f37a40ad2bed89273cc96a19163d5f43 where the caption says: "アドは網処(あみどころ)の意で...".
I'll mark the entry as obscure, but at present I see no grounds for deleting it.
I'll contact Hendrik ad see if he wants to add anything. JimBreen (talk) 22:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)