Talk:faggot
another meaning for this utterly vile word
Is "faggot" also synonymous with "pussy"? — This comment was unsigned.
- I don't know who signed the above (use four tildes (~) to whomever did so), but I wonder if there is a meaning for "faggot" able to be verified to mean, in essence, "a male who makes unwanted passes at other men, whether their target is a homosexual or heterosexual"? Briguy52748 02:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
RfV sense, packet of cigarettes
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faggot - pack of cigarettes
A pack of cigarettes? - cites please.--Williamsayers79 08:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Confusion with UK "fag" (a cigarette) perhaps? — Paul G 09:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think so, If we don't get any cites I reckon it would be a safe bet to remove this sense.--Williamsayers79 07:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
- No cites, quotes, references given so I'll apply the
{{rfvResult}}to the talk page until someone finds any evidence.--Williamsayers79 13:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- No cites, quotes, references given so I'll apply the
It does mean cigarette though! How can no one find a source for that??? — This comment was unsigned.
- You mean a "fag" not a "faggot," right? --Connel MacKenzie 01:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- I believe you mean a "fag" too. I assume you are making some attempt a silly practial joke or are you serious? No cites, no inclusion I'm afraid.--Williamsayers79 11:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
anon
Faggot: Arguably the term Faggot meaning "an unpleasant woman" (circa 1591) predates the definition of a homosexual man (circa 1914) by a number of centuries.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=faggot Other evidence of this definition can be found in the Oxford English Dictionary. (Including the Oxford Modern English Dictionary 1992,1995.) Also in: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/faggot
There was an rfv on the meatball entry. This was ridiculous - it's a well known term in England.
Evidence here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2698507.stm
- Looks like it got added back but lacks a quote, perhaps one from that 2003 article could be used? 64.228.90.179 16:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Done Added a citation for the meatball sense. Equinox ◑ 19:00, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
To Gather
I was just reading a translation of Montaigne's Of the Resemblance of Children to Their Fathers and he uses the term faggoting to describe "gathering": "This faggoting up of so many divers pieces is so done that I never set pen to paper...". I'm having trouble finding another source, unless Montaigne means a verb akin to the metalworking definition, but the use suggests that the noun element "bundle" is also a verb element of "to bundle". If whomever notices this can add the verb form, with the note that it is archaic. --TheGrza 19:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- Translation from what? Name sounds French. Only English is here, only verb refers to fagot#Verb which is about tying sticks not gathered people. Sounds interesting though, what year did OTROCTTF come out? 64.228.90.179 16:35, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
- Done We now have a verb sense here, same as fagot. Equinox ◑ 19:00, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Add Irish/Scouse definition?
'Faggot' is also a Irish and Scouse word meaning 'lazy person'. This is the word used in the Irish song 'Fairytale of New York' which caused controversy a few years ago due to British radio stations censoring it, believing it was using the American pejorative meaning. PabloDiablo 15:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- I can't find that sense. There is Irish use of the word as meaning a burdensome, worthless person (as an old woman), but not lazy. See Irish slang and . Do you have any source beside the Pogues' lyrics? The lyrics make it clear that it is a term of abuse, but not much else. DCDuring TALK 11:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
faggot
(pejorative, US, slang) A male homosexual. Not sure about the UK, but this sense is also heavily used in Australia. Tooironic 23:45, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- It is used heavily that way in the UK too. Babybirdy34 (talk) 09:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
- Done These regions have been added. The Anglo-Irish band The Pogues used the word in the song Fairytale of New York. Equinox ◑ 15:11, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Fag slang: Smoke or cigarette
I was just watching Sons of Anarchy, and Trinity asked Jax if he had a fag, and he nodded and pulled out a pack of smokes. He was in Ireland, so this could just be a British/European thing, but it is a possible meaning.Shane2008 (talk) 07:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Shane2008
- Yes - See fag (not faggot). SemperBlotto (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Joyce and Lawrence
From EtymOnline:
- the contemptuous slang word for "woman" (in common with the other possible sources or influences listed here) was in active use early 20c., by D.H. Lawrence and James Joyce, among others
Do not see quotes from them under def 4. Could we locate what works they use it this way in? Sounds like notable historicity. 64.228.90.179 16:42, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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Rfv-sense 7: "(used in the Britain, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, obsolete in North America) The cast off end of a smoked cigarette." Judging from the entry's talkpage not the first occasion when somebody's mistaken "faggot" for fag, in this case (mis)applying the former specifically to fag-end. (I'd nominate it for deletion but not being a native speaker I thought I'd start here in case I'm wrong.) --Droigheann (talk) 18:56, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- I have never heard this in Britain. "fag-end" yes, definitely, but never "faggot". It sounds wrong. 86.152.161.224 21:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's not British, unless it's a regional dialect I'm not aware of. SpinningSpark 16:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
- Ditto. Renard Migrant (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Failed. — SMUconlaw (talk) 19:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
- Ditto. Renard Migrant (talk) 14:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's not British, unless it's a regional dialect I'm not aware of. SpinningSpark 16:54, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
RFV discussion: February–March 2021
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Rfv-sense "A fascist". — surjection ⟨??⟩ 18:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
- If it's stated and it makes sense, then some community is apparently saying it. This is being used in the Antifa community to refer to fascists, so it is important to distinguish this usage to avoid misinterpretations. — This unsigned comment was added by MotherNamma (talk • contribs) at 04:09, 26 February 2021.
- Can its use in this sense be attested in durably archived media? I find only uses as a slur uttered against Antifa protesters. --Lambiam 12:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Etymology for meatball sense
John Camden Hotten's Slang Dictionary (1873) suggests "fag-end", since the meatballs are made from remnants or offcuts. (The definition in Hotten sounds quite graphically disgusting!) Equinox ◑ 20:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Australian usage
In Australia, this word (and the word fag) are used in the American/Canadian context. Can someone make note of this in the definitions? 110.150.52.252 07:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I've never heard an Aussie call a cigarette a "fag", and I've never seen faggot meatballs in the supermarkets. I've heard a lot of different slang names for tobacco cigarettes used here: "smokes", "cigs", "ciggies", "durries", etc, but never "fags", not even among old people. 110.150.52.252 07:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
In United States 🇺🇸 It can also have a name calling to somebody IRL (In real life)
IRL (In real life) It can also define and mean a “fool” a “jerk” in connotations which isn’t considered a homophobic slur especially among professions to Soldiers, Mercenaries, Marines, Agents ETC. “You lying faggot!” “Come on out faggot!” as it would refer and target to a person usually among men not among women. which doesn’t indicate in a use of hate speech. Mainly and mostly United States 🇺🇸
However in United Kingdom 🇬🇧 and Ireland 🇮🇪 It is safe to say this usage of the word. @Theknightwho @DCDuring Sherlocks1050 (talk) 05:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- In in-groups of all kinds terms of abuse of all kinds can be used the same way. I don't think of such usage as requiring a dictionary entry. DCDuring (talk) 15:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- IMO Since it would also known it doesn’t cause controversy. Often said among guys men and women also sometimes can say it to men. Which would cause an offense? But not potentially referring an LGBTQ community. Sherlocks1050 (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Sherlocks1050 Sorry, but this is nonsense, and would be considered highly controversial. Theknightwho (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- IMO Since it would also known it doesn’t cause controversy. Often said among guys men and women also sometimes can say it to men. Which would cause an offense? But not potentially referring an LGBTQ community. Sherlocks1050 (talk) 15:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)