Talk:ice
RFV discussion: October 2022–February 2023
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Rfv-sense "Any volatile chemical, such as water, ammonia, or carbon dioxide, not necessarily in solid form", as distinct from the preceding sense, which is such a chemical when solid / frozen. Wikipedia says this sense is why "Jupiter and Saturn are gas giants, and Uranus and Neptune are ice giants, even though the vast majority of the "gas" and "ice" in their interiors is a hot, highly dense fluid", but when I search google books:"ice giant" "liquid" trying to find cites, the cites generally say that "ice giants" are so called because they have significant ice (frozen, solid matter) as a distinctive feature, irrespective of whether they have other, non-distinctive features like fluid interiors that planets commonly have. And I'm not seeing any relevant uses at e.g. google books:"liquid ice" or "liquid ammonia ice". - -sche (discuss) 06:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- I think the definition might need to be tightened up by someone familiar with the topic but it seems to be a real thing: see the reference to a "liquid mantle composed of ice materials" here, the diagram caption here that jokes "Only astronomers could call a 2000 degree fluid “ice”", and the explanation of the "ice" in ice giants as a "hot, slushy mixture that would be more aptly described as a water-ammonia ocean" here. —Al-Muqanna المقنع (talk) 10:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting! This may be real, then. I'll see if I can go through those citations later. - -sche (discuss) 10:56, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- Withdrawn, with two clear citations thanks to Al-Muqanna. It's hard to find a third unambiguous citation because things like "the fluids of the hot, ice-rich region of Uranus and Neptune" or "the core is surrounded by a hot ice-rich liquid envelope that merges imperceptibly into the hydrogen-rich atmosphere" (Citations:ice) could still be using the usual (frozen) definition of ice and discussing fluid that has ice (frozen chunks) in it — it's hard to find examples which are unambiguously using ice to refer to something which isn't frozen (outside of the context of referring to something which was previously frozen, e.g. "melted ice", a situation the usual water-ice sense can also be put into) — but I suspect one exists. - -sche (discuss) 17:57, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Cited, added a quote talking about "solid or liquid ice" which seems clear enough. Ioaxxere (talk) 23:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
RFV Passed. Ioaxxere (talk) 18:51, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
RFV discussion: July–August 2023
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Rfv-sense "Any substance having the appearance of ice." Like glass? Ioaxxere (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
RFV Failed Ioaxxere (talk) 21:16, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
RFV discussion: July 2023–July 2024
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Rfv-sense: "## One or more diamonds and jewelry , especially blood diamonds.
Apart from the ungrammaticality, I don't think the two citations unambiguously support the definition. I particularly don't see any evidence whatsoever to support "especially blood diamonds". DCDuring (talk) 23:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- I've heard this term before, but for diamonds only. CitationsFreak (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Same. I've revised the definition, moved it out of the "crime, slang" section (because AFAICT this is general slang, not specific to criminals; it's based on the fairly obvious resemblance of diamonds to ice), and added a couple more cites, which I think makes this cited. - -sche (discuss) 13:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Passed. - -sche (discuss) 03:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)