Talk:orientationist
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===Noun===
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#{{rfv-sense}}One who ]es or ]s people of ]s other than his own.
#*'''1998''' September 15, Mark Wilden <[email protected]>, "Re: Most naive and uninformed American tourists in Europe", ''rec.travel.europe'', et al., Usenet,
#*:And why do you assume that only men appreciate a good-looking woman? And so soon after the Emmies! You '''orientationist''', you!
Rfv noun sense. I've cited the adjective sense, but can't seem to cite the noun. Perhaps someone else can.—msh210℠ 00:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't "-ist" normally form a noun referring to believers or practicioners of the corresponding "-ism"? Aren't your adjectival quotes exemplars of nouns used as adjectives? Does one need to document both noun and adjective use of a noun in English, which is rife with such usage. DCDuring 07:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Normally, "-ist" forms a noun, and "-ist" as an adjective would just be an attributive form of that noun. But words like racist, sexist, and ageist — of which the instant word is one — are exceptions in my opinion: they're really adjectives. That is, "racist joke" does not mean "joke of or about a racist" (as "lawyer joke" means "joke about a lawyer" and "comedian joke" can mean "joke of a comedian"); rather, it means "joke that is racist". (Note too that there's no adjective *"racistic" (or the others).) So, yes, we have two separate senses: noun and adjective. And the question here is whether we can document the noun sense; I haven't been able to.—msh210℠ 20:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- There is actually an adjective racistic: . --Ptcamn 09:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- Nonetheless, the rest of what I said holds (imo).—msh210℠ 17:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
- There is actually an adjective racistic: . --Ptcamn 09:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)