Talk:satori

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Is the second etymology derived from, or otherwise related to, the first one? If so, shouldn't that be mentioned, or the two re-merged? ZFT (talk) 22:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

@ZFT: It isn't clear to me. The English Wikipedia article "w:Satori (folklore)" says "A satori is depicted in Toriyama Sekien's Konjaku Gazu Zoku Hyakki, but since this was modeled after the yamako (玃) in the Wakan Sansai Zue and other works, and since it even said, 'there are yamako (玃) deep in the mountains of Hida and Mino' in the text along with it, it is said that Toriyama Sekien gave it the name 'satori' since they are able to read (satoru) people's minds. The yamako was an ape man from Chinese legends, but in the Wakan Sansai Zue, it was an animal that read people's minds in Hida and Mino, and since the character 玃 can also be pronounced 'kaku', the character 覚 (also 'kaku') was used as one that fit for a replacement, which was later misread as 'satori', so there is the interpretation that this is what gave birth to the legend of 'satori' as a different kind of yokai than the yamako." I find this hard to understand, and I cannot verify it as the references given are in Japanese. Since the mythical creature is derived from a different Japanese term than the one in etymology 1, even though there may ultimately be some borrowing of the term in etymology 2 from etymology 1, I think the terms in etymology 1 and 2 should be kept separate. — Sgconlaw (talk) 22:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply