Talk:seal
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Rfd-redundant:
- Something which will be visibly damaged if a covering or container is opened, and which may or may not bear an official design.
- The result was declared invalid, as the seal on the meter had been broken.
- Security against unauthorized tampering.
- The spot-check found three containers with broken seals.
I think an adequate definition for the one surviving sense would be:
- Something which will be visibly damaged if a covering or container is opened.
-- DCDuring TALK 14:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Sure, go for it. Mglovesfun (talk) 20:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
- I would keep mention to the "official design" part for clarity on historical use. DAVilla 16:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- I had added those senses recently. They are not part of the RfD. There will be more senses after the combination than were in the entry before the RfD. DCDuring TALK 17:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
deleted -- Liliana • 02:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
RFV discussion: November 2021
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The Gwilt quote MooreDoor (talk) 19:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- cited Kiwima (talk) 21:11, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- RFV-passed MooreDoor (talk) 14:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
RFV discussion: July–December 2023
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Rfv-sense: "(heraldry) A bearing representing a creature something like a walrus." While I can find three seals' paws or seals' heads in heraldry, these seem to be sense 1, normal seals, not walrus-like creatures: Parker's Heraldry has illustrations of normal seals' (not walruses') heads on the arms of Ley. I tried to search for examples of seals which had tusks blazoned, but could not find any, though the homonymy with seal (“stamped design”) makes this difficult to search for. (Parker says the seal is also "fancifully called by some heraldic writers the sea-calf, and sea-wolf; possibly, too, by the sea-bear is meant the seal", and says it "has been adopted in some few coats of arms. The whole animal, however, does not appear to be represented; only the paws and the head, and then but rarely.") - -sche (discuss) 20:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- It says at this link that:
- An otter's head, sometimes called a seal's head, for it is impossible to distinguish the heraldic representations of the one or the other, appears in many coats of arms of different families of the name of Balfour, and two otters are the supporters belonging to the head of the Scottish house of Balfour.
- So it seems (though we probably already know this) that heraldry uses many exotic animals, and their names may not match what we use in the world today for the same animal. I couldnt find anything specificallyabout a seal as the whole animal, though, just the seal's head emblazon. All other hits on Wikisource seem to be using seal in the sense of a design. —Soap— 23:49, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
- Failed. - -sche (discuss) 19:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)