Talk:transfenestrate
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Today's WOTD, never heard of it personally. Ƿidsiþ 15:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- I can see it (and -ation in a few books). Pynchon used it. Equinox ◑ 15:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- When I hear the name Pynchon I reach for my gun. (also Nabokov, Tolkein, Joyce). I think these authors' coinages are examples of why the "well-known work" rule should be eliminated. Perhaps we need to have appendices for literary hapax legomena, such as these authors and others from Early Modern English have coined without subsequent usage. DCDuring TALK 16:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- There is the "nonce" gloss for rarer-than-rare (also making them easy to locate in the event of any change of rules in the future). I agree this is very obscure to have made WOTD. Equinox ◑ 17:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- I created
{{nonce}}with the idea in my head it would only work for well-known works, as anything else wouldn't meet CFI, or wasn't really a nonce word. Mglovesfun (talk) 17:40, 15 January 2011 (UTC)- How can one even attest to meaning with one usage? Find three published commentators? What about translations? Find three separate translations? DCDuring TALK 19:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- I think we also need to start treating WOTD more like pedia's featured article; let's use entries which have all their ducks in a row rather than simply interesting words. - DaveRoss 19:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- DCDuring, "nonce" doesn't always mean the word was only ever used once. It can mean that each user of the word coined it separately for a single usage, perhaps not knowing anybody else ever had. Equinox ◑ 22:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- How can one even attest to meaning with one usage? Find three published commentators? What about translations? Find three separate translations? DCDuring TALK 19:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- I created
- There is the "nonce" gloss for rarer-than-rare (also making them easy to locate in the event of any change of rules in the future). I agree this is very obscure to have made WOTD. Equinox ◑ 17:31, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- When I hear the name Pynchon I reach for my gun. (also Nabokov, Tolkein, Joyce). I think these authors' coinages are examples of why the "well-known work" rule should be eliminated. Perhaps we need to have appendices for literary hapax legomena, such as these authors and others from Early Modern English have coined without subsequent usage. DCDuring TALK 16:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
- Late comment, but it seems to me like there's a difference between coinages like transfenestrate, where the roots make the word generally understandable, and things like Carroll's wabe and tove, where the reader is left to guess based on vague impressions and sound correspondences, or Mangan's and Joyce's contransmagnificandjewbangtantiality, where the parts might individually make sense but the combination doesn't. -- Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 19:00, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
- I cleaned it up and added three citations, but they are not independent, and support two distinct senses. No one sense has three citations (yet). - -sche (discuss) 19:42, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
- Meh, kept. - -sche (discuss) 23:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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This entry says it is a nonce coinage by Thomas Pynchon. Has it been used independently of Pynchon, ie, not in lit crit of his work. DCDuring (talk) 22:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
- All I can find is Pynchon and people referring to Pynchon. Kiwima (talk) 04:13, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- I don't want to quibble but the attestation criteria seem to be ok with non-verbatim quotations. Fenestrator (talk) 17:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
RFV-failed Citations are not independent. Kiwima (talk) 22:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC)