Template talk:et-verb

Can we get usage instructions for this? — Jeraphine Gryphon 02:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

Object case

Latest comment: 10 years ago13 comments2 people in discussion

Would anyone have any objections to an object case parameter. This is a hot topic for me in Livonian and I often turn to Estonian for pointers. In Latvian for example accusative (~ Finnic partitive) is used almost universally for an object without spacial/directional relationships. Finnic languages tend to be much more creative with their choice of the object case which would probably be of interest to anyone learning the languages. For example otsima apparently usually takes partitive (as I would expect):

Kas sa otsid eilset päeva? (part.) – Are you looking for the day passed (yesterday)? (an idiom apparently)
Otsi teda nagu nõela heina sees! (part.) – Look/search for him like a needle in a haystack!

But then:

Viimist Liivimaa liivlast otsimas (elat.) – Looking for the last Vidzeme Livonian

Perhaps it's poetic, archaic but still could be indicated. (Commonly using genitive objects (since lv doesn't have elative) is one of the "signature" characteristics of western Latvian dialects this would lead me to think that elative objects could be very common in liv and perhaps also et.)

Not sure what the source of these could be (except native speakers knowledge), ÕS 2013 gives only partitive examples for otsima, e.g., Otsib kääre, korterit, riidu. Neitrāls vārds (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Presumably, different cases are used with different meanings. So I think this should be indicated in the definition line with a context label, not in the headword line. —CodeCa t 20:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

(made a minor edit and didn't even see the reply with this awful font!) OK, in your opinion what would be the semantic difference between the first 2 (bulleted) sentences and the 3rd one? All three seem to me a plain object without spacial/directional relationship. Neitrāls vārds (talk) 20:19, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

I have no idea, I don't really speak any Estonian. —CodeCa t 20:42, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Neither do I, hehhe... What I can lean on are lv calques (and there are quite many). The "last Livonian" example with elative instantly reminds me of, say, western lv es redzēj mamms (~ es redzēju mammas) vs. standard es redzēju mammu. Both are identical in what they convey except one is dialectal and the other is standard. (The Russian (somewhat semantic) gender distinction (ja videl mamu:acc vs. ja videl otca:gen) (or rather syncretism of masc. acc. and gen. in Russian, not sure) is not at play here either, as both masc. and fem. would be either/or.) If Estonian has this variation on a literary language level it would be very valuable to indicate this.

Of course in light of the long term lack of Estonian editors this would be the least of our concerns. But would you want to add, say, oc= and oc2= as optional parameters, or I could do it as well. Neitrāls vārds (talk) 21:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

But what about the point I raised? Different senses of the same verb might use objects in different cases. Look at Finnish puhua for example. Just using simple "oc=" parameters would not be enough for that, you really need sense-level labels. Estonian and Livonian most likely have similar cases. —CodeCa t 22:05, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yes, labels are a good idea. For the second one it could be mandatory with a warning message "provide context for when this object case is used" or similar. Unlike puhua I think these two are "relationally" identical but I suspect that one is poetic, archaic. Were I to add the param to the entry I'd simply put "rare" simply on the basis of ÕS not listing an example with elat. obj. and that could be the fallback for any non-native speaker who is not certain of when exactly the alternative is used (when relationally they seem identical.) Neitrāls vārds (talk) 23:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

I'm not really sure what you're actually asking for. Could you create a subpage of your user page, which shows how you envision the entry should look? —CodeCa t 23:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Simply specify them in italics (Latvian prepositions at least do that.)

// Moksha
creation_rules =
	function (params, entry)
	{
		var formparam = {
			'indefinite-plural-nominative':'indef|p|nom',
			'indefinite-singular-genitive':'indef|s|gen',
			'indefinite-plural-genitive':'indef|p|gen',
			'indefinite-singular-dative':'indef|s|dat',
			'indefinite-plural-dative':'indef|p|dat',
			'indefinite-singular-ablative':'indef|s|abl',
			'indefinite-plural-ablative':'indef|p|abl',
			'indefinite-singular-inessive':'indef|s|ine',
			'indefinite-plural-inessive':'indef|p|ine',
			'indefinite-singular-elative':'indef|s|ela',
			'indefinite-plural-elative':'indef|p|ela',
			'indefinite-singular-illative':'indef|s|ill',
			'indefinite-plural-illative':'indef|p|ill',
			'indefinite-singular-prolative':'indef|s|prolative',
			'indefinite-plural-prolative':'indef|p|prolative',
			'indefinite-singular-comparative':'indef|s|comparative',
			'indefinite-plural-comparative':'indef|p|comparative',
			'indefinite-singular-translative':'indef|s|tra',
			'indefinite-plural-translative':'indef|p|tra',
			'indefinite-singular-abessive':'indef|s|abe',
			'indefinite-plural-abessive':'indef|p|abe',
			'indefinite-singular-causative':'indef|s|causative',
			'indefinite-plural-causative':'indef|p|causative',
			'definite-singular-nominative':'def|s|nom',
			'definite-plural-nominative':'def|p|nom',
			'definite-singular-genitive':'def|s|gen',
			'definite-plural-genitive':'def|p|gen',
			'definite-singular-dative':'def|s|dat',
			'definite-plural-dative':'def|p|dat',

			'possessive':'possessive',

			'first-person-singular-copulative':'1|s|copulative',
			'second-person-singular-copulative':'2|s|copulative',
			'third-person-singular-copulative':'3|s|copulative',
			'first-person-plural-copulative':'1|p|copulative',
			'second-person-plural-copulative':'2|p|copulative',
			'third-person-plural-copulative':'3|p|copulative',

			'first-person-singular-present-indicative':'1|s|pres|ind',
			'second-person-singular-present-indicative':'2|s|pres|ind',
			'third-person-singular-present-indicative':'3|s|pres|ind',
			'first-person-plural-present-indicative':'1|p|pres|ind',
			'second-person-plural-present-indicative':'2|p|pres|ind',
			'third-person-plural-present-indicative':'3|p|pres|ind',

			'first-person-singular-past-indicative':'1|s|past|ind',
			'second-person-singular-past-indicative':'2|s|past|ind',
			'third-person-singular-past-indicative':'3|s|past|ind',
			'first-person-plural-past-indicative':'1|p|past|ind',
			'second-person-plural-past-indicative':'2|p|past|ind',
			'third-person-plural-past-indicative':'3|p|past|ind',

			'first-person-singular-subjunctive':'1|s|sub',
			'second-person-singular-subjunctive':'2|s|sub',
			'third-person-singular-subjunctive':'3|s|sub',
			'first-person-plural-subjunctive':'1|p|sub',
			'second-person-plural-subjunctive':'2|p|sub',
			'third-person-plural-subjunctive':'3|p|sub',

			'second-person-singular-imperative':'2|s|imp',
			'second-person-plural-imperative':'2|p|imp',

			'connegative':'connegative',
			'gerund-connegative':'gerund|connegative'};
		
		if (!formparam)
			throw new PreloadTextError('No rule for "' + params.form + '" in language "' + params.lang + '".');
		
		entry.def = '{{inflection of|' + params.origin + '||' + formparam + '|lang=' + params.lang + '}}';
	}

// Erzya
creation_rules =
	function (params, entry)
	{
		var formparam = {
			'indefinite-plural-nominative':'indef|p|nom',
			'indefinite-singular-genitive':'indef|s|gen',
			'indefinite-plural-genitive':'indef|p|gen',
			'indefinite-singular-dative':'indef|s|dat',
			'indefinite-plural-dative':'indef|p|dat',
			'indefinite-singular-ablative':'indef|s|abl',
			'indefinite-plural-ablative':'indef|p|abl',
			'indefinite-singular-inessive':'indef|s|ine',
			'indefinite-plural-inessive':'indef|p|ine',
			'indefinite-singular-elative':'indef|s|ela',
			'indefinite-plural-elative':'indef|p|ela',
			'indefinite-singular-illative':'indef|s|ill',
			'indefinite-plural-illative':'indef|p|ill',
			'indefinite-singular-prolative':'indef|s|prolative',
			'indefinite-plural-prolative':'indef|p|prolative',
			'indefinite-singular-comparative':'indef|s|comparative',
			'indefinite-plural-comparative':'indef|p|comparative',
			'indefinite-singular-translative':'indef|s|tra',
			'indefinite-plural-translative':'indef|p|tra',
			'indefinite-singular-abessive':'indef|s|abe',
			'indefinite-plural-abessive':'indef|p|abe',
			'definite-singular-nominative':'def|s|nom',
			'definite-plural-nominative':'def|p|nom',
			'definite-singular-genitive':'def|s|gen',
			'definite-plural-genitive':'def|p|gen',
			'definite-singular-dative':'def|s|dat',
			'definite-plural-dative':'def|p|dat'
			'definite-singular-ablative':'def|s|abl',
			'definite-plural-ablative':'def|p|abl',
			'definite-singular-inessive':'def|s|ine',
			'definite-plural-inessive':'def|p|ine',
			'definite-singular-elative':'def|s|ela',
			'definite-plural-elative':'def|p|ela',
			'definite-singular-illative':'def|s|ill',
			'definite-plural-illative':'def|p|ill',
			'definite-singular-prolative':'def|s|prolative',
			'definite-plural-prolative':'def|p|prolative',
			'definite-singular-comparative':'def|s|comparative',
			'definite-plural-comparative':'def|p|comparative',
			'definite-singular-translative':'def|s|tra',
			'definite-plural-translative':'def|p|tra',
			'definite-singular-abessive':'def|s|abe',
			'definite-plural-abessive':'def|p|abe'};
		
		if (!formparam)
			throw new PreloadTextError('No rule for "' + params.form + '" in language "' + params.lang + '".');
		
		entry.def = '{{inflection of|' + params.origin + '||' + formparam + '|lang=' + params.lang + '}}';
	}

// Latvian (only nouns)
creation_rules =
	function (params, entry)
	{
		var formparam = {
			'plural-nominative':'nom|p',
			'singular-genitive':'gen|s',
			'plural-genitive':'gen|p',
			'singular-dative':'dat|s',
			'plural-dative':'dat|p',
			'singular-accusative':'acc|s',
			'plural-accusative':'acc|p',
			'singular-instrumental':'ins|s',
			'plural-instrumental':'ins|p',
			'singular-locative':'loc|s',
			'plural-locative':'loc|p',
			'singular-vocative':'voc|s',
			'plural-vocative':'voc|p'};
		
		if (!formparam)
			throw new PreloadTextError('No rule for "' + params.form + '" in language "' + params.lang + '".');
		
		entry.def = '{{lv-inflection of|' + params.origin + '|' + formparam + '}}';
	}

span class="form-of comparative-form-of lang-hu"

first-person singular present indicative indefinite copulative of цёра (ćora)

genitive of multiple possessions by a first-person singular possessor of марь (maŕ)
dative of multiple possessions by first-person singular of марь (maŕ)
ablative of one or multiple possessions by first-person singular of марь (maŕ)

first-person singular possessive plural genitive of марь (maŕ)

first-person singular possessed plural genitive of марь (maŕ)

Subjective conjugation of et-verb

	Present / future
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Past I
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Compound future
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Imperative
	positive	negative
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
	Past II / subjunctive
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—¹
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—¹
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—¹
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—¹
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—¹
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—¹
	Conditional
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Subjunctive of conditional
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Desiderative
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Optative
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Non-finite forms
infinitive	—
ma-infinitive / verbal noun	—
mda-infinitive	—
past passive participle	—
agentive / pres. act. part.	—
gerund	—
gerund negative	—
present passive participle	—

¹Markers can be switched places, for example, афолень кунда (afoleń kunda) → аф кундалень (af kundaleń). The historically different past II and subjunctive have merged here, according to Feoktistov, past II uses the form with the bare particle, while subjunctive can use either of the two forms.

Etymology

According to UEW, from Proto-Finno-Ugric *muda, *muďa (“silt, clay, mud”) whence also Finnish muta (“mire, mud”), according to Veršinin, other cognates may include Finnish mantere (“land, continent”), perhaps musta (“black”), Eastern Mari модо, муды, муто (modo, mudy, muto, “blueberry”), perhaps the element бота- (bota-) in Erzya ботавомс (botavoms, “to become turbid, muddy ”), the element бут- (but-) in бутра, путра (butra , putra, “turbid, muddy”).

Russian мата (mata, “white clay”) from Mordvinic (via Tatar мәте (mäte)), similarity of Russian мутный (mutnyj, “turbid, muddy”) likely coincidental, the term derives from мутить (mutitʹ, “to muddy; to cloud”) . Russian материк (materik, “land, continent”), however, likely has been influenced by Lua error in Module:parameters at line 590: Parameter 1 should be a valid language, etymology language or family code; the value "fiu-fin" is not valid. See WT:LOL, WT:LOL/E and WT:LOF..

Subjective conjugation of et-verb

	Present / future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	ащан (aščan)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	ащат (aščat)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	ащи (ašči)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	ащетяма (aščetäma)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	ащетяда (aščetäda)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	ащихть (aščihť)
	Past I
1^st singular — мон (mon)	ащень (aščeń)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	ащеть (aščeť)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	ащесь (aščeś)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	ащеме (aščeme)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	ащeде (aščede)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	ащесть (aščesť)
	Compound future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	карман ащема (karman aščema)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	кармат ащема (karmat aščema)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	кармай ащема (karmaj aščema)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	карматама ащема (karmatama aščema)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	карматада ащема (karmatada aščema)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	кармайхть ащема (karmajhť aščema)
	Imperative
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	ащек (ašček)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	ащеда (aščeda)
	Non-finite forms
verbal noun	ащема (aščema)
past passive participle	—
agentive / pres. act. part.	ащи (ašči)
present passive participle	—

Subjective conjugation in other moods is possible.
Objective conjugation is possible for transitive verbs, see, for example, кундамс (kundams).

Subjective conjugation of et-verb

	Present / future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	тонафтан (tonaftan)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	тонафтат (tonaftat)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	тонафты (tonaftï)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	тонафттама (tonafttama)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	тонафттада (tonafttada)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	тонафтыхть (tonaftïhť)
	Past I
1^st singular — мон (mon)	тонафтонь (tonaftoń)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	тонафтоть (tonaftoť)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	тонафтсь (tonaftś)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	тонафтоме (tonaftome)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	тонафтоде (tonaftode)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	тонафтсть (tonaftsť)
	Compound future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	карман тонафтома (karman tonaftoma)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	кармат тонафтома (karmat tonaftoma)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	кармай тонафтома (karmaj tonaftoma)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	карматама тонафтома (karmatama tonaftoma)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	карматада тонафтома (karmatada tonaftoma)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	кармайхть тонафтома (karmajhť tonaftoma)
	Imperative
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	тонафтт (tonaftt)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	тонафтода (tonaftoda)
	Non-finite forms
verbal noun	тонафтома (tonaftoma)
past passive participle	тонафтф (tonaftf)
agentive / pres. act. part.	тонафты (tonaftï)
present passive participle	тонафтови (tonaftovi)

Subjective conjugation in other moods is possible.
Objective conjugation is possible for transitive verbs, see, for example, кундамс (kundams).

// Moksha
creation_rules =
	function (params, entry)
	{
		var formparam = {
			'indefinite-plural-nominative':'indef|p|nom',
			'indefinite-singular-genitive':'indef|s|gen',
			'indefinite-plural-genitive':'indef|p|gen',
			'indefinite-singular-dative':'indef|s|dat',
			'indefinite-plural-dative':'indef|p|dat',
			'indefinite-singular-ablative':'indef|s|abl',
			'indefinite-plural-ablative':'indef|p|abl',
			'indefinite-singular-inessive':'indef|s|ine',
			'indefinite-plural-inessive':'indef|p|ine',
			'indefinite-singular-elative':'indef|s|ela',
			'indefinite-plural-elative':'indef|p|ela',
			'indefinite-singular-illative':'indef|s|ill',
			'indefinite-plural-illative':'indef|p|ill',
			'indefinite-singular-prolative':'indef|s|prolative',
			'indefinite-plural-prolative':'indef|p|prolative',
			'indefinite-singular-comparative':'indef|s|comparative',
			'indefinite-plural-comparative':'indef|p|comparative',
			'indefinite-singular-translative':'indef|s|tra',
			'indefinite-plural-translative':'indef|p|tra',
			'indefinite-singular-abessive':'indef|s|abe',
			'indefinite-plural-abessive':'indef|p|abe',
			'indefinite-singular-causative':'indef|s|causative',
			'indefinite-plural-causative':'indef|p|causative',
			'definite-singular-nominative':'def|s|nom',
			'definite-plural-nominative':'def|p|nom',
			'definite-singular-genitive':'def|s|gen',
			'definite-plural-genitive':'def|p|gen',
			'definite-singular-dative':'def|s|dat',
			'definite-plural-dative':'def|p|dat',

			'possessive':'possessive',

			'first-person-singular-copulative':'1|s|copulative',
			'second-person-singular-copulative':'2|s|copulative',
			'third-person-singular-copulative':'3|s|copulative',
			'first-person-plural-copulative':'1|p|copulative',
			'second-person-plural-copulative':'2|p|copulative',
			'third-person-plural-copulative':'3|p|copulative',

			'first-person-singular-present-indicative':'1|s|pres|ind',
			'second-person-singular-present-indicative':'2|s|pres|ind',
			'third-person-singular-present-indicative':'3|s|pres|ind',
			'first-person-plural-present-indicative':'1|p|pres|ind',
			'second-person-plural-present-indicative':'2|p|pres|ind',
			'third-person-plural-present-indicative':'3|p|pres|ind',

			'first-person-singular-past-indicative':'1|s|past|ind',
			'second-person-singular-past-indicative':'2|s|past|ind',
			'third-person-singular-past-indicative':'3|s|past|ind',
			'first-person-plural-past-indicative':'1|p|past|ind',
			'second-person-plural-past-indicative':'2|p|past|ind',
			'third-person-plural-past-indicative':'3|p|past|ind',

			'first-person-singular-subjunctive':'1|s|sub',
			'second-person-singular-subjunctive':'2|s|sub',
			'third-person-singular-subjunctive':'3|s|sub',
			'first-person-plural-subjunctive':'1|p|sub',
			'second-person-plural-subjunctive':'2|p|sub',
			'third-person-plural-subjunctive':'3|p|sub',

			'second-person-singular-imperative':'2|s|imp',
			'second-person-plural-imperative':'2|p|imp',

			'connegative':'connegative',
			'gerund-connegative':'gerund|connegative'};
		
		if (!formparam)
			throw new PreloadTextError('No rule for "' + params.form + '" in language "' + params.lang + '".');
		
		entry.def = '{{inflection of|' + params.origin + '||' + formparam + '|lang=' + params.lang + '}}';
	}

// Erzya
creation_rules =
	function (params, entry)
	{
		var formparam = {
			'indefinite-plural-nominative':'indef|p|nom',
			'indefinite-singular-genitive':'indef|s|gen',
			'indefinite-plural-genitive':'indef|p|gen',
			'indefinite-singular-dative':'indef|s|dat',
			'indefinite-plural-dative':'indef|p|dat',
			'indefinite-singular-ablative':'indef|s|abl',
			'indefinite-plural-ablative':'indef|p|abl',
			'indefinite-singular-inessive':'indef|s|ine',
			'indefinite-plural-inessive':'indef|p|ine',
			'indefinite-singular-elative':'indef|s|ela',
			'indefinite-plural-elative':'indef|p|ela',
			'indefinite-singular-illative':'indef|s|ill',
			'indefinite-plural-illative':'indef|p|ill',
			'indefinite-singular-prolative':'indef|s|prolative',
			'indefinite-plural-prolative':'indef|p|prolative',
			'indefinite-singular-comparative':'indef|s|comparative',
			'indefinite-plural-comparative':'indef|p|comparative',
			'indefinite-singular-translative':'indef|s|tra',
			'indefinite-plural-translative':'indef|p|tra',
			'indefinite-singular-abessive':'indef|s|abe',
			'indefinite-plural-abessive':'indef|p|abe',
			'definite-singular-nominative':'def|s|nom',
			'definite-plural-nominative':'def|p|nom',
			'definite-singular-genitive':'def|s|gen',
			'definite-plural-genitive':'def|p|gen',
			'definite-singular-dative':'def|s|dat',
			'definite-plural-dative':'def|p|dat'
			'definite-singular-ablative':'def|s|abl',
			'definite-plural-ablative':'def|p|abl',
			'definite-singular-inessive':'def|s|ine',
			'definite-plural-inessive':'def|p|ine',
			'definite-singular-elative':'def|s|ela',
			'definite-plural-elative':'def|p|ela',
			'definite-singular-illative':'def|s|ill',
			'definite-plural-illative':'def|p|ill',
			'definite-singular-prolative':'def|s|prolative',
			'definite-plural-prolative':'def|p|prolative',
			'definite-singular-comparative':'def|s|comparative',
			'definite-plural-comparative':'def|p|comparative',
			'definite-singular-translative':'def|s|tra',
			'definite-plural-translative':'def|p|tra',
			'definite-singular-abessive':'def|s|abe',
			'definite-plural-abessive':'def|p|abe'};
		
		if (!formparam)
			throw new PreloadTextError('No rule for "' + params.form + '" in language "' + params.lang + '".');
		
		entry.def = '{{inflection of|' + params.origin + '||' + formparam + '|lang=' + params.lang + '}}';
	}

// Latvian (only nouns)
creation_rules =
	function (params, entry)
	{
		var formparam = {
			'plural-nominative':'nom|p',
			'singular-genitive':'gen|s',
			'plural-genitive':'gen|p',
			'singular-dative':'dat|s',
			'plural-dative':'dat|p',
			'singular-accusative':'acc|s',
			'plural-accusative':'acc|p',
			'singular-instrumental':'ins|s',
			'plural-instrumental':'ins|p',
			'singular-locative':'loc|s',
			'plural-locative':'loc|p',
			'singular-vocative':'voc|s',
			'plural-vocative':'voc|p'};
		
		if (!formparam)
			throw new PreloadTextError('No rule for "' + params.form + '" in language "' + params.lang + '".');
		
		entry.def = '{{lv-inflection of|' + params.origin + '|' + formparam + '}}';
	}

span class="form-of comparative-form-of lang-hu"

first-person singular present indicative indefinite copulative of цёра (ćora)

genitive of multiple possessions by a first-person singular possessor of марь (maŕ)
dative of multiple possessions by first-person singular of марь (maŕ)
ablative of one or multiple possessions by first-person singular of марь (maŕ)

first-person singular possessive plural genitive of марь (maŕ)

first-person singular possessed plural genitive of марь (maŕ)

Subjective conjugation of et-verb

	Present / future
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Past I
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Compound future
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Imperative
	positive	negative
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
	Past II / subjunctive
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—¹
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—¹
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—¹
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—¹
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—¹
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—¹
	Conditional
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Subjunctive of conditional
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Desiderative
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Optative
	positive	negative
1^st singular — мон (mon)	—	—
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	—	—
3^rd singular — сон (son)	—	—
1^st plural — минь (miń)	—	—
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	—	—
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	—	—
	Non-finite forms
infinitive	—
ma-infinitive / verbal noun	—
mda-infinitive	—
past passive participle	—
agentive / pres. act. part.	—
gerund	—
gerund negative	—
present passive participle	—

¹Markers can be switched places, for example, афолень кунда (afoleń kunda) → аф кундалень (af kundaleń). The historically different past II and subjunctive have merged here, according to Feoktistov, past II uses the form with the bare particle, while subjunctive can use either of the two forms.

Etymology

According to UEW, from Proto-Finno-Ugric *muda, *muďa (“silt, clay, mud”) whence also Finnish muta (“mire, mud”), according to Veršinin, other cognates may include Finnish mantere (“land, continent”), perhaps musta (“black”), Eastern Mari модо, муды, муто (modo, mudy, muto, “blueberry”), perhaps the element бота- (bota-) in Erzya ботавомс (botavoms, “to become turbid, muddy ”), the element бут- (but-) in бутра, путра (butra , putra, “turbid, muddy”).

Russian мата (mata, “white clay”) from Mordvinic (via Tatar мәте (mäte)), similarity of Russian мутный (mutnyj, “turbid, muddy”) likely coincidental, the term derives from мутить (mutitʹ, “to muddy; to cloud”) . Russian материк (materik, “land, continent”), however, likely has been influenced by Lua error in Module:parameters at line 590: Parameter 1 should be a valid language, etymology language or family code; the value "fiu-fin" is not valid. See WT:LOL, WT:LOL/E and WT:LOF..

Subjective conjugation of et-verb

	Present / future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	ащан (aščan)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	ащат (aščat)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	ащи (ašči)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	ащетяма (aščetäma)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	ащетяда (aščetäda)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	ащихть (aščihť)
	Past I
1^st singular — мон (mon)	ащень (aščeń)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	ащеть (aščeť)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	ащесь (aščeś)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	ащеме (aščeme)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	ащeде (aščede)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	ащесть (aščesť)
	Compound future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	карман ащема (karman aščema)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	кармат ащема (karmat aščema)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	кармай ащема (karmaj aščema)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	карматама ащема (karmatama aščema)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	карматада ащема (karmatada aščema)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	кармайхть ащема (karmajhť aščema)
	Imperative
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	ащек (ašček)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	ащеда (aščeda)
	Non-finite forms
verbal noun	ащема (aščema)
past passive participle	—
agentive / pres. act. part.	ащи (ašči)
present passive participle	—

Subjective conjugation in other moods is possible.
Objective conjugation is possible for transitive verbs, see, for example, кундамс (kundams).

Subjective conjugation of et-verb

	Present / future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	тонафтан (tonaftan)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	тонафтат (tonaftat)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	тонафты (tonaftï)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	тонафттама (tonafttama)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	тонафттада (tonafttada)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	тонафтыхть (tonaftïhť)
	Past I
1^st singular — мон (mon)	тонафтонь (tonaftoń)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	тонафтоть (tonaftoť)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	тонафтсь (tonaftś)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	тонафтоме (tonaftome)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	тонафтоде (tonaftode)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	тонафтсть (tonaftsť)
	Compound future
1^st singular — мон (mon)	карман тонафтома (karman tonaftoma)
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	кармат тонафтома (karmat tonaftoma)
3^rd singular — сон (son)	кармай тонафтома (karmaj tonaftoma)
1^st plural — минь (miń)	карматама тонафтома (karmatama tonaftoma)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	карматада тонафтома (karmatada tonaftoma)
3^rd plural — синь (siń)	кармайхть тонафтома (karmajhť tonaftoma)
	Imperative
2^nd singular — тон (ton)	тонафтт (tonaftt)
2^nd plural — тинь (tiń)	тонафтода (tonaftoda)
	Non-finite forms
verbal noun	тонафтома (tonaftoma)
past passive participle	тонафтф (tonaftf)
agentive / pres. act. part.	тонафты (tonaftï)
present passive participle	тонафтови (tonaftovi)

Subjective conjugation in other moods is possible.
Objective conjugation is possible for transitive verbs, see, for example, кундамс (kundams).

The first one – oc= could be mandatory, positional. Neitrāls vārds (talk) 23:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

But what is wrong with:

et-verb (da-infinitive otsida)

(with partitive) (sense 1)
(with partitive, rarely with elative) (sense 2)

? —CodeCa t 23:13, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

The senses are the same! I explained you twice already above. Neitrāls vārds (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ok, then just:

(with partitive, rarely with elative) (sense 1)

? —CodeCa t 23:19, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Technically you could do that, but I think it's a "temporary patch" solution (technically you can stick just about anything in context, gender? declension? Stick it in cx!) Object case is an important, intrinsic characteristic of the verb and "making do" with {{cx}} is exactly that "making do." Also, I want categories for the rarer cases, e.g., "Estonian verbs with variable object case" or similar. Maybe I'll bring this up in BP for some third party opinions. Neitrāls vārds (talk) 23:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

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