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How difficult it will be to add a parameter if {{etyl|grc|el}} and the "el" and "grc" are same, that will add something like:{{term|{{{PAGENAME}}}|lang=grc|sc=polytonic}} ? so that will be no need write again (and mistake...) the lemma? --Xoristzatziki (talk) 04:55, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
There are still many words in which it will be useful. Also it will be very useful the same thing for latin words. A parameter like "s" or "same" that will lead to the same lemma (of course to the first etymol. parameter). --Xoristzatziki (talk) 06:09, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
{{etyl}}
. —RuakhTALK 12:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)And the reason CodeCat can't have her cleanup category is...? In English sections, I notice many editors already adding <tt>|en}}</tt> to param-less {{etyl}}
s... and such a category could also be an easy way of finding non-Latin-script and hence non-English param-less etyls. I'm in favour of it... - -sche (discuss) 18:28, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
{{etyl}}
is missing a second parameter, so she can change it to en, if I get to have a cleanup category of entries where its second parameter is en, so I can remove it. Would that be a good compromise? If not, why not?) {{etyl}}
's second parameter should always be specified, there are currently 1.8 gazillion entries where it isn't. This would clearly be a task for a bot, not a cleanup category. (Once a bot-pass handled the 99% of cases that are reasonably straightforward, then a cleanup category would be useful for the future.) CodeCat, despite her programming ability, is apparently unwilling to learn how to analyze the XML dumps; I don't know why, but whatever. It's her right. But this unwillingness doesn't grant her the right to do crazy things. (By analogy: we can't compel anyone to learn our formatting conventions, but we don't allow them to edit in contravention of those conventions. If they refuse to learn, then they're restricted to edits that don't require learning.) I am wondering if we can change this template so that when the language is mentioned as being the ancestor of a term that it provides a link to a page about that.
For example {{etyl|odt|nl}} says "Old Dutch" rather than "Old Dutch" which would allow someone to easily look it up. Etym (talk) 17:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
I detest the restored hyperlinks to language names. They make etymology sections look like blue-red Christmas trees. --Vahag (talk) 22:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
For example, suppose it should look like this:
From Middle English qwerty, from Latin querti.
Should we write:
From {{etyl|enm|en}} {{m|enm|qwerty}}, from {{etyl|la|en}} {{m|la|querti}}.
Or:
From {{etyl|enm|en}} {{m|enm|qwerty}}, from {{etyl|la|enm}} {{m|la|querti}}.
Or something else still? — This unsigned comment was added by 80.114.147.138 (talk).
Thanks. Could you update the documentation to clarify this, and perhaps add a properly formatted example? I'm sure future editors will appreciate it. — This unsigned comment was added by 80.114.147.138 (talk).
I think it's perfect.
I think the documentation should be a bit more up-front as to when to use the other etymology templates:
{{bor}} {{cog}} {{der}} {{inh}}
Perhaps with an example in each case, near the top of the documentation.
This template places all articles it's used on in a clean-up category, but in many cases there is no way to replace it because its replacements use formatting that isn't compatible with its uses, for example in etymology chains and textual descriptions of a word's history. This makes the category next to useless and it wastes the time of people who see the category and try to replace etyl, only to discover that its replacements won't work. — This unsigned comment was added by 80.114.146.117 (talk) at 13:51, 16 August 2016.
@Erutuon The following can be added just above the line with the list of languages:
-->|br={{#invoke:debug|error|The {{temp|etyl}} template is deprecated. Please use {{temp|der}}, {{temp|inh}} or {{temp|bor}}.}}<!--
This line would contain all languages which have already been cleaned up, to show an error message whenever someone tries to add it to an entry in that language. —Rua (mew) 18:38, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
cy
. And could you add dum
, gml
, got
, odt
, ofs
, osx
to the categorising list? —Rua (mew) 20:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
@Erutuon: I just added Category:etyl cleanup/es. Can you add es to the list? BTW, these subcategories seem to take a few days to fill up. Cheers. DonnanZ (talk) 10:52, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Could you add it
and mul
? And cnx
, got
, obt
, oco
, owl
, se
, xbm
and xce
can be moved to the done list. —Rua (mew) 19:48, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Four more done, gml
, odt
, ofs
and osx
. —Rua (mew) 20:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
A user page is appearing in Category:etyl cleanup/dum. Can the categories be wrapped in {{categorize}}
so that this no longer happens? —Rua (mew) 22:42, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
dum
is switched over. — Eru·tuon 23:17, 3 September 2017 (UTC)Here's a good, concise discussion about it: Wiktionary:Information desk/2018/January#Template talk:etyl. Others are welcome to link other, more technical discussions that led us to this point. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add Finnish (fi) to the list of completed languages. SURJECTION ·talk·contr·log· 13:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
Please add Polish (pl) to the list of completed languages. Vininn126 (talk) 21:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
What does the following sentence from the documentation mean to a normal human or to someone like me?
"Although mul is the code for "Translingual", as there is no category structure for translingual etymologies, such words are not placed in any descendant categories."
If it is meaningful, why are "such words are not placed in any descendant categories"? DCDuring (talk) 13:53, 22 March 2022 (UTC)