User talk:BassHelal

Hello and welcome. I edited most of your contributions on etymology. You can read the edit summaries to see why. Please take these corrections into consideration if you are going to work on Azerbaijani entries. Ketiga123 (talk) 13:08, 10 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for this, I appreciate it! I'm still new to editting so I'm not entirely sure on the rules of etymology, I just want to help in whatever way I can. I'll take these into account from now on. Thanks and peace to you BassHelal (talk) 15:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

No prob. There's plenty of work that needs to be done with terms derived from Arabic. As you could see, Arabic terms borrowed into other languages often lack lists of descendants, so it's very good that you've been adding some. Ketiga123 (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks man, I really appreciate your welcome and help as well. Yeah I've noticed a lot of missing terms that are derived from Arabic as well as the descendants lists you've mentioned. Some common words like şəxsiyyət are nowhere to be found, among many others. I have plans to add these terms, and you're always welcome to help me. Initially Azerbaijani wasn't a huge concern to me but it's become quite interesting to notice the lexical choice difference between Turkish and Azerbaijani with the latter more commonly using Persian and Arabic words than Turkish. It's so fascinating! Anyway thanks again for your help and welcome, peace to you my friend :) BassHelal (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

شكرا for your contribution at greek lemmata, with substituting 'tr' Turkish derivations to Ottoman. Great work! Unfortunately, greek dictionaries mention only the modern script (probably a typographic difficulty to add ota). At el.wiktionary we have marked these etymological Categories (e.g. Loanwords from [email protected]) with notes about the fact that until 1928 (script reform), the loanwords come from Ottoman Turkish. Your help is invaluable, because it takes me very long to find the corresponding ota script at {{R:ota:Redhouse}}. Gradually, we shall update etymologies at el.wikt too, thanks to your help. ‑‑Sarri.greek ^♫ I 17:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

χαίρετε! Many thanks for your kind words, it's good to have my efforts noticed.

I understand that Greek dictionaries only show the Modern Turkish term, indeed, it is difficult to find an Ottoman Turkish dictionary with the high quality that modern dictionaries have nowadays, though my favorite so far is this one, which combines all known major Ottoman Dictionaries including the invaluable Redhouse Dictionary you mentioned. It doesn't help that most Modern Turkish dictionaries don't reference the original Ottoman term, leading to this eloquent language becoming all but forgotten for even Turkish linguists.

The orthographic variation within Ottoman Turkish (especially with Turkic origin words, or highly vulgarized Persian and Arabic words like menteşe/μεντεσές is huge and is a main cause of problems.

All of this is to say, I understand why the Greek words referenced the Modern Turkish form and not the original form and I used my knowledge in Ottoman Turkish to fix it, and will continue to do so to the best of my ability. I have added this page to my watchlist so that I can update any newly added words and correct them to Ottoman Turkish accordingly, which you can then of course use yourself in Greek Wiktionary.

I'm happy to have helped out in some way, many thanks again for your kind words and taking the time to message me, ευχαριστούμε! BassHelal (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Reply