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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- On Wikidata, the "save" button when you edit is now called "publish". This means all Wikimedia wikis have now changed from "Save page" to "Publish changes". This is to help new editors understand what it does.
- Some edits will get an automatic tag on all wikis. This will happen when making a page a redirect, blanking a page, removing almost all content, undoing an edit, or rolling back an edit. You can see the tags for example in the recent changes feed, article history, user contributions or on your watchlist. Some wikis had already marked edits like these in other ways.
- Special:UnusedFiles shows files that have been uploaded but are not used. It will show a file that is not used on the wiki it has been uploaded to, even if the file is used on another wiki. The new Special:GloballyUnusedFiles page on Commons only shows files that are not used on any wiki.
- Structured discussions now uses the 2017 wikitext editor instead of its old custom one. This will work with your preference for wikitext or visual editor. The documentation has been updated.
Problems
- Older versions of the Chrome web browser on mobile devices may see the PDF download button, but it does not work. The developers are looking into the problem.
- With the new filters in the recent changes, "Exclude selected" in "Namespaces" did not work for "Saved filters" between 13 December and 2 January. When you loaded the saved filter all other namespaces were excluded instead. This has now been fixed. If you made any changes to your saved filters between 13 December and 2 January, you need to save your filters with excluded namespaces again.
- The latest version of Google Chrome broke how section links are shown in the address bar. You now see
#R%C3%A9sum%C3%A9instead of#Résuméeven if MediaWiki did not encode it that way. This happened in early December. This problem has been solved. The fix will be in Chrome 64 (23 January) or Chrome 65 (6 March). 
Some POST requests to the API took longer than usual in parts of December. This affected the Wikidata UI and some gadgets the most. It has now been fixed.
Changes later this week
- Wikidata will be moved to its own database servers. This is because it is growing and needs more resources. Because of this you will be able to read but not edit Wikidata and the German Wikipedia between 06:00 and 06:30 UTC on 9 January. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. This includes editing the language links on other wikis.
- The font size in the editing window will change slightly for some users. It will now look the same on all browsers and operating systems.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 January. It will be on all wikis from 11 January (calendar).- WikiEditor's ResourceLoader modules have been simplified to one:
ext.wikiEditor. All the other modules are now deprecated aliases and should be removed.
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 9 January at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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16:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Bureaucrats on Wikimedia wikis where the Translate extension is installed can now add and remove the translation administrator permission by default. Administrators of wikis where this extension is enabled can add and remove this permission to or from themselves. Wikis that used a different configuration before have not changed.
- There is a new Discourse test support channel for Wikimedia developers. You can ask questions or answer others questions about MediaWiki and Wikimedia software development.
Problems
- Last week's MediaWiki update was rolled back. This was because of a bug that changed non-ASCII characters when a page was edited.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 January. It will be on all wikis from 18 January (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 16 January at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- A few hundred wikis with less than ten high-priority errors in Linter categories will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 31 January. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018.
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18:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Filters on Special:RecentChangesLinked will get the new look similar to on the recent changes page. Special:RecentChangesLinked will also get some new features.
Problems
- With the new OOUI look menus and popups can open upwards instead of downwards. This was meant to make long dropdown menus easier to use. Sometimes these menus have been overlapped by other things. This is now fixed.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 24 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
irc.wikimedia.orgwill be rebooted on 22 February. Some bots use this to get the recent changes feed. They need to be able to reconnect automatically or they will not work until they have been fixed. Most bots can reconnect automatically.
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23:55, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 31 January at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Foundation is working on how to get less unmaintained code on Wikimedia wikis. This could be by finding maintainers or removing unmaintained features. They are now looking for feedback on what do do with AbuseFilter, the IRC RecentChanges feed, the RelatedSites extension and TimedMediaHandler. You can leave feedback on the linked talk pages.
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17:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Actualités du Wiktionnaire, numéro 34, janvier 2018
Merci de votre abonnement et de votre lecture. Vous pouvez participer au prochain numéro si vous le souhaitez.
EWDC #4
Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.
Equinox ◑ 23:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Bureaucrats can now add and remove the accountcreator permission by default. This means the user can help create a large number of accounts, for example for an editathon. Wikis can change this if they want to.
- The Wikidata vandalism dashboard is a new tool to monitor vandalism on Wikidata labels and descriptions. It is filtered by language.
- Info pages for file pages now show the file's SHA1 hash value in the table of basic information. This is so users can see that the file is the same as the one they uploaded.
Problems
- Special:Export has a higher error rate right now. This means that the export does not always work. You should check to make sure your page exports worked. The developers are working on fixing this.
Changes later this week
- When you review an edit made with the visual editor you can check a visual diff of your changes besides the wikitext diff. If you pick one diff type it will remember and show you that in future. The visual diff will now be the type first shown to new users.
- When you use a gallery to show images you can define the size, like
gallery widths="150px". You could useemor%instead ofpxbut it would make no difference. You can now only use150pxor nothing (150). If you write something else, instead of treating it likepx, it will not work. - The wording when you send a thanks message will change. Instead of
YesorNoit will sayThankandCancel. It will also be easier to understand that all thanks are public. - Redirects connected to Wikidata can create double Wikidata items. There will now be a tracking category for this. Wikis that don't want it can disable it.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 February. It will be on all wikis from 8 February (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 February at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Education Program extension will be removed on 30 June. It is replaced by the Programs and Events Dashboard.
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20:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- TemplateStyles has been deployed to the Swedish Wikipedia. TemplateStyles is a feature to make it easy to add CSS to templates without administrator privileges. This allows for better adaptability to screen sizes, especially on mobile where are half our total page views. If your community would like to be the next to have the feature, please submit a task on Phabricator.
- Registration pages now collect keyboard/mouse usage information for research on identifying spambots.
Changes later this week
- You can opt in to a new beta feature that lets you use visual diffs on history pages.
- The visual editor shows and lets you edit templates in one way, and reference lists in another. This meant that templates that only contain a fake reference list, like
{{reflist}}, would not get updated as you edited. Now they will update as you edit, but you will no longer be able to visually edit them as templates. - The abuse filter extension has a new feature
contains_allthat you may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string. - The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 February. It will be on all wikis from 15 February (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 February at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 14 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The settings page and beta options for the mobile website are being improved.
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21:59, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The explanation of the abbreviations on the recent changes page could overlap with the list of changes. This has been fixed.
- You can now see statistics for pageviews per wiki per country. You can see this on maps or in a table.
Problems
- Linter is reporting estimated counts instead of actual counts for some wikis. This is because of performance problems. You might notice a false higher number in linter counts for some categories. This will be fixed as soon as the performance problem has been fixed.
- Last week the way that Visual Editor displays references lists was changed. As a result, the references generated by specific templates like
{{sfn}}are not visible in the references list whilst editing.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 February. It will be on all wikis from 22 February (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 20 February at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The way edit summaries and log comments are stored in the database is being changed. In the future this will make longer comments possible.
- Edit conflicts could be solved in a different way in the future. You can test a new prototype.
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22:54, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Help
At thwikt have error "attempt to index field 'wikibase' (a nil value)" everywhere (like th:กากี). It seems it does not know the "mw.wikibase" (= nil). How can we solve this? --Octahedron80 (talk) 04:33, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
P.S. Now I temporarily put direct link to WD intead. --Octahedron80 (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Octahedron80: that's probably because wikidata is not enabled over there. I've added a check in Special:Diff/49029418. – Jberkel 07:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Pointless edits
Why are you making edits like this? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- See WT:NORM. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Koavf: all my recent edits are an attempt to clean up misindented quotes, see Wiktionary_talk:Todo#Misformatted/indented_quotes. – Jberkel 10:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- This makes literally no difference. You may want to have the Flood flag added to your account temporarily if you are going to do this or ask for a bot. @Metaknowledge I don't see any value to this--I have seen this at NORM before and it seems wildly nitpicky. At the very least, this work should be done by a bot, no? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:34, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- To a human a missing space makes little difference, but regular/normalized data is useful for automated parsing/error detection, which is the case here with @DTLHS's script. A bot might be a good idea to fix this in the future, but for this particular case there were maybe 20 instances, so I used AWB. – Jberkel 10:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks--this and the explanation below are very logical and helpful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Koavf: You say that you have seen it at NORM before, and you also say that it is "pointless" and pester somebody for making such an edit. That seems very odd to me. As an admin, you need to uphold the results of consensus, even if you personally may not like them. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge Altho I am familiar with NORM, I did not remember every line of it. I don't see how I'm not "upholding" the results of consensus--it's not like I asked him to undo it nor did I undo it myself; I just suggested that if he's going to do many edits like this which do not change anything about the content or rendering of the page to get the flood flag first or have a bot do it instead, which is actually a very reasonable request. The issue here is clearly with the parser or script, not his behavior. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:22, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Koavf: You say that you have seen it at NORM before, and you also say that it is "pointless" and pester somebody for making such an edit. That seems very odd to me. As an admin, you need to uphold the results of consensus, even if you personally may not like them. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:46, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks--this and the explanation below are very logical and helpful. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:57, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- To a human a missing space makes little difference, but regular/normalized data is useful for automated parsing/error detection, which is the case here with @DTLHS's script. A bot might be a good idea to fix this in the future, but for this particular case there were maybe 20 instances, so I used AWB. – Jberkel 10:45, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- This makes literally no difference. You may want to have the Flood flag added to your account temporarily if you are going to do this or ask for a bot. @Metaknowledge I don't see any value to this--I have seen this at NORM before and it seems wildly nitpicky. At the very least, this work should be done by a bot, no? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:34, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Koavf: all my recent edits are an attempt to clean up misindented quotes, see Wiktionary_talk:Todo#Misformatted/indented_quotes. – Jberkel 10:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Removal of sources
Can you please explain this edit? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- He explained it in his edit summary: those aren't references. They could serve as quotations, but the entry already has more than enough quotations that illustrate usage better than those do. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 08:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
- @Koavf: What meta said. I thought about moving them to the citations page but they are already included there, so I deleted them. – Jberkel 10:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Checkusers and stewards can now view private data such as the IP address in the abuse log. This data is removed regularly.
Problems
- Last week's MediaWiki version was rolled back because of a bug.
- Since the deployment train last week until late evening on 20 February UTC, when you thanked someone for an edit, the thank went to the latest unthanked edit to that page. It didn't matter which edit you tried to give thanks for. This has been fixed.
- Special:Statistics did not take newly created pages into account since 13 February 2018. Because of this the statistics are recreated.
Changes later this week
- Users with version 10 of the Internet Explorer browser will no longer get JavaScript on Wikimedia wikis. If you use this browser on your computer, you can try upgrading to a newer version.
- The Wikinews wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 27 February. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 February. It will be on all wikis from 1 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 February at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 28 February at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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19:52, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
EWDC #5
Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.
Equinox ◑ 00:23, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
Changes later this week
- You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page.
- On Special:AbuseLog you can now choose to list only actions that actually made an edit. Other actions are when the filter warned the editor or blocked the edit from being made. There are also more search options.
- Wikis can enable Citoid to provide automatic reference look-up in the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor, but it is complex. The tool will now warn in the JavaScript console if the configuration isn't correct. Soon Citoid will disable itself if the configuration isn't correct. Check that your wiki is configured correctly. You can ask for help if you need it.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 March. It will be on all wikis from 8 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 6 March at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 7 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- In the future you will be able to use global preferences. This means you could change a preference for all wikis instead of having to change it every time for each wiki. You can now test global preferences and give feedback.
- You can now read about planned works on maps during 2018. This will be done by June. You can give feedback on the planned maps work.
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17:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- 3D models can now be uploaded to Commons.
- Page Previews has been updated to use HTML for previews. This has fixed many issues. An A/B test was done on English and German Wikipedia to measure how it is used. Other changes were also made.
- Some edits have to be checked against too many conditions before they can trigger an abuse filter. If that is the reason no filter is triggered the edit will be tagged for review.
- Auto-saving has been added to the visual editor and the 2017 wikitext editor. Right now it is meant to help if your browser crashes or if you accidentally close a tab.
Problems
- The abuse filter did not tag all edits that should have been tagged after last week's MediaWiki version had come to the wikis. It was fixed on 9 March (UTC).
Changes later this week
- You can notify users in edit summaries. They will get a ping just as if they had been mentioned on a wiki page. This was originally planned to happen last week.
- It is now possible to specify the block parameters for each filter in Special:AbuseFilter. The parameters include block duration and if the user should be blocked from editing their own talk page. The block duration is separate for anonymous and registered users.
- A hundred Wikimedia wikis will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. It will happen on 13 and 14 March. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 March. It will be on all wikis from 15 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 13 March at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 14 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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19:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- On March 12 early morning UTC, the number of 503 error messages increased due to an issue on esams datacenter. It has been fixed.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 March. It will be on all wikis from 22 March (calendar).
Meetings
- There is no Editing team meeting this week.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 21 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- From April 4, the autopatrol status of edits will only be accessible in the Recent Changes database table, so only for 30 days.
- In-Context Help and Onboarding is a new project, aiming to improve retention of new wiki editors. The goal is to give them short tutorials and other training experiences based on their activity. Collaboration team is expecting feedback and comments on the project talk page, especially from people working with newcomers.
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15:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- Some of the interface icons and text sizes will change slightly, as part of the updates for improved accessibility and consistency. These icons are used in many features, including Notifications, Recent Changes, Beta Features, Visual Editor, 2017 Wikitext Editor, Code Editor, and others. While editor toolbars, dialogs, and menus will appear slightly bigger; elements on special pages will be slightly smaller. Functionality will not change.
- The deprecated #toc and #toctitle CSS ids have been removed. If your wiki was still using these for fake Tables of Content (ToC) then these might lose their styling. They can be replaced with .toc and .toctitle classes where appropriate.
- TemplateStyles will be deployed to the Wikivoyages on 28 March 2018.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 March. It will be on all wikis from 29 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 27 March at 18:30 (UTC). See how to join.
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be one hour earlier than usual on 28 March at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- From 9 April, the sort order of categories will be distorted for a short time. We are upgrading versions of an internationalisation library (ICU) and using a maintenance script to update existing database entries. This will last anywhere from a few hours to a few days, depending on wiki size. Read more details.
- Changes are coming to search for Serbian projects. Cyrillic and Latin variants of a word and different grammatical forms of a word will be able to find each other. Read more on MediaWiki in Serbian or English.
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20:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Link to Wikipedia in yaourt
I notice that you've placed the link to Wikipedia:fr:yaourt under "Further reading" using Template:pedia, while I originally placed it on the top of the entry using Template:wp. What's the reason behind the amendment? Professorjohnas (talk) 11:10, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Professorjohnas: It's becoming common practice to use a list of inline links in "Further reading" instead of cluttering the page with boxes. This way all project links are handled consistently. See
{{wikipedia}}: "Consider using the inline version of this template instead". – Jberkel 11:18, 31 March 2018 (UTC)- @Jberkel: Ooops. Today I added Wikipedia boxes to a few entries. Should I delete them and add links under "Further reading" instead? And is this a consensus in the community? To me, boxes look better. Professorjohnas (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Professorjohnas: Don't worry, it's fine. There's no clear consensus at the moment. – Jberkel 14:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Jberkel: If there's no clear consensus, will your "corrections" potentially provoke edit wars? Professorjohnas (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Professorjohnas: See an older discussion Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2017/June "Where to place wikipedia templates?" – Jberkel 18:03, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Jberkel: If there's no clear consensus, will your "corrections" potentially provoke edit wars? Professorjohnas (talk) 16:37, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Professorjohnas: Don't worry, it's fine. There's no clear consensus at the moment. – Jberkel 14:31, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Jberkel: Ooops. Today I added Wikipedia boxes to a few entries. Should I delete them and add links under "Further reading" instead? And is this a consensus in the community? To me, boxes look better. Professorjohnas (talk) 12:54, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
EWDC #6
Hi! Here are your 10 random missing English words for this month.
- hydrosoma, mediuses, couturieres, semitars, succous, oxyphiles, cerrises, hyperimmunizes, peataries, unheals
Equinox ◑ 21:24, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata idea
Since you have technical knowhow and seem more optimistic about Wikidata than I am, I thought you might like this idea. We have about 4600 taxonomic entries that have image requests, and the images for many of them are presumably already in the image field at Wikidata. Because of the bijective nature of taxonomy, we can feel sure that those images are appropriate on those pages, and you could run a bot to add the images. What do you think? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 22:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge: That's not too complicated to do. I checked a bunch of items and most of them had an image set. While we're at it we should also add
{{projectlink/wikidata}}or similar to the "Further reading" list, so we explicitly link back to the WD item. – Jberkel 05:41, 25 June 2018 (UTC)- If you can do it by bot, it's technically not calling Wikidata and therefore doesn't need to gain consensus (sneaky, I know). I disagree about the projectlink, though, because I don't think it serves our readers; the links to Wikipedia and Wikispecies are more informative. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- The other advantage of bot inserted content is that it's easy to make changes afterwards, change the image etc. It's also consistent with all the other entries. About the backlink, you're probably right, I wasn't primarily thinking about human consumption. Maybe it can be it done the other way round, add a link from WD > WT. – Jberkel 09:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Shouldn't they be linking to us anyway? Also, what's your plan for when Wikidata specifies multiple images? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is heavily linked with Wikidata, Wiktionary is not. If there are multiple images we could just pick the first one, or skip and pick one manually. – Jberkel 19:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I guess I don't care about what happens on the Wikidata end. Picking the first one seems like the easiest option (after all, it can always be changed later). Do you want to try a test run soon? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, will let you know once I have something to test. – Jberkel 00:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge: I finally managed to work on this. Have a look at my last few edits and see if they make sense. – Jberkel 02:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for remembering this! The edits mostly look good, but what happened at Actophilornis albinucha? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- There was a bug, it picked the wrong image from Wikidata, I reverted manually and ran the script again. What's the next step? Do I need to create a separate bot account? – Jberkel 05:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- You can run it under your own account if you get a flood flag. (Obviously a bot account is a better long-term strategy, but that requires starting a vote and waiting two weeks.) Just ping me when you want the flood flag given and removed (bearing in mind that I may not be able to get to it quickly when I am at work). —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- There was a bug, it picked the wrong image from Wikidata, I reverted manually and ran the script again. What's the next step? Do I need to create a separate bot account? – Jberkel 05:17, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for remembering this! The edits mostly look good, but what happened at Actophilornis albinucha? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge: I finally managed to work on this. Have a look at my last few edits and see if they make sense. – Jberkel 02:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, will let you know once I have something to test. – Jberkel 00:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I guess I don't care about what happens on the Wikidata end. Picking the first one seems like the easiest option (after all, it can always be changed later). Do you want to try a test run soon? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 21:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is heavily linked with Wikidata, Wiktionary is not. If there are multiple images we could just pick the first one, or skip and pick one manually. – Jberkel 19:47, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Shouldn't they be linking to us anyway? Also, what's your plan for when Wikidata specifies multiple images? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- The other advantage of bot inserted content is that it's easy to make changes afterwards, change the image etc. It's also consistent with all the other entries. About the backlink, you're probably right, I wasn't primarily thinking about human consumption. Maybe it can be it done the other way round, add a link from WD > WT. – Jberkel 09:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- If you can do it by bot, it's technically not calling Wikidata and therefore doesn't need to gain consensus (sneaky, I know). I disagree about the projectlink, though, because I don't think it serves our readers; the links to Wikipedia and Wikispecies are more informative. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 06:18, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
- Hi Jan, salut :)
- C'est trop cool ! Si tu veux tenter de faire tourner ton script sur le Wiktionnaire francophone, on est preneurs ! J'suis sûr que des gens comme Automatik ou Pamputt pourraient aider
Noé 08:03, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Noé: salut! oui volontiers, mais j'aimerais d'abord le faire tourner ici avec les 4000+ articles pour déboguer un peu.
- @Metaknowledge it's ready to run, pass the flag please. – Jberkel 05:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- I just gave you the flood flag, set to expire in 24 hours. Please ping me if you want it off sooner or extended longer (bearing in mind my slow response time). Don't ping me if it doesn't work, because the flood flag's always buggy and I can't do anything about that; you'll just have to throttle your edit speed a bit. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge:, ok script ran successfully. The category is now down to 828 items. The remaining items have sometimes invalid Wikipedia links (article does not exist, or links to disambiguation page), or it's about that one type of butterfly only found in some remote part of Ecuador, which hasn't been assigned an image on Wikidata yet. Obviously we can't do anything about that, but for the other cases I could run another script to flag or remove invalid WP links if you think that's worth it. – Jberkel 22:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you! I think that removing/fixing invalid Wikipedia links (as well as invalid Wikispecies links) would be useful. I also don't see any reason not to run this for all the remaining taxonomic entries, not just those with
{{rfi}}in them. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 04:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)- Removing invalid Wikipedia links is mostly done, I still need to run some cleanup jobs. I didn't touch the Wikispecies links for now. We can run this on all taxonomic entries, if the image cannot automatically be determined the script could just insert the
{{rfi|mul}}template. – Jberkel 14:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)- Sounds good. I don't think the script should be inserting more
{{rfi}}s, since (except for this operation) they are almost never fulfilled and when you can't get it from Wikidata, chances are that there isn't an image of it at all at Commons. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:40, 24 August 2018 (UTC) - Another step, which will probably be much harder and may not be worthwhile, is to get a few more by automatically navigating the taxonomy. For example, Cardamineae still has an image request, but an image of any of its constituent genera (e.g. Cardamine) would be appropriate. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 16:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think it's worthwile to navigate the taxonomy to insert images. I find the translingual sections useful but we shouldn't aim to replace/rebuild Wikispecies or Wikipedia. I can easily run this on all taxonomic translingual entries (those without images). – Jberkel 14:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Jberkel, I was just looking at some entries and remembered how effective this was. Would you be interested in running it again to fulfil the requests that have accumulated in the last few months, and also for the many taxonomic entries that don't have rfi's but could still use images? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge: I might have lost the code, can't find it. It wasn't that much work but will take some time to redo. – Jberkel 20:49, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Jberkel, yikes — sorry for the trouble. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 23:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Metaknowledge: I might have lost the code, can't find it. It wasn't that much work but will take some time to redo. – Jberkel 20:49, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Jberkel, I was just looking at some entries and remembered how effective this was. Would you be interested in running it again to fulfil the requests that have accumulated in the last few months, and also for the many taxonomic entries that don't have rfi's but could still use images? —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 19:57, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think it's worthwile to navigate the taxonomy to insert images. I find the translingual sections useful but we shouldn't aim to replace/rebuild Wikispecies or Wikipedia. I can easily run this on all taxonomic translingual entries (those without images). – Jberkel 14:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- Sounds good. I don't think the script should be inserting more
- Removing invalid Wikipedia links is mostly done, I still need to run some cleanup jobs. I didn't touch the Wikispecies links for now. We can run this on all taxonomic entries, if the image cannot automatically be determined the script could just insert the
- Thank you! I think that removing/fixing invalid Wikipedia links (as well as invalid Wikispecies links) would be useful. I also don't see any reason not to run this for all the remaining taxonomic entries, not just those with
- @Metaknowledge:, ok script ran successfully. The category is now down to 828 items. The remaining items have sometimes invalid Wikipedia links (article does not exist, or links to disambiguation page), or it's about that one type of butterfly only found in some remote part of Ecuador, which hasn't been assigned an image on Wikidata yet. Obviously we can't do anything about that, but for the other cases I could run another script to flag or remove invalid WP links if you think that's worth it. – Jberkel 22:05, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- I just gave you the flood flag, set to expire in 24 hours. Please ping me if you want it off sooner or extended longer (bearing in mind my slow response time). Don't ping me if it doesn't work, because the flood flag's always buggy and I can't do anything about that; you'll just have to throttle your edit speed a bit. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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Timeless Newsletter • Issue 1
Welcome to the first issue of the Timeless newsletter! This issue is being sent or forwarded to everyone who has at some point expressed an interest in the project, give or take, as well as a couple of other potentially relevant pages, so if you would like to continue (or start) receiving this newsletter directly, please sign up for further updates on the meta page.
The news:
The Timeless grant has been selected for funding, and the project is now underway!
While I've had a somewhat slow start working on the project for health reasons, I'm pleased to announce that everything described in the proposal is now either happening, or on its way to happening.
Current progress:
- The project now has a hub on Meta to serve as a directory for the various related pages, workboards, and local discussions and help pages. It's probably incomplete, especially with regards to specific language projects that might have local pages for Timeless, so if you know of others, please add them!
- Outreach: I've been talking to various people and groups directly about skinning, desktop/mobile interfaces, project management, specific component support, and other things, and have begun to compile a very shoddy list of skinning problems and random issues on mw.org based on this. Some of this may inform the direction of this project, or possibly this project will result in building a more proper list that can then be used for other things. We shall see.
- Some development - task triage, code review, bug fixing, and various rabbit holes involving ...overflows.
General plan for the future:
- Triage the rest of the workboard.
- Catch up with all the talkpages and other bug reports that have been left various other places that are not the project workboard
- Do all the bug fixes/features/other things!
- Some proposals aimed at Commons and Wikisource in particular (maybe, we'll see)
Essentially, the grant as written shall be carried out. This was the plan, and remains the plan. Timelines remain fuzzy, but while there have been some initial delays, I don't particularly expect the timeline for project as a whole to change a whole lot.
Also, for anyone at Wikimania right now: I am also at Wikimania. Come talk to me in person!
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Actualités de juillet en français
Salut !
Le numéro de juillet des Actualités du Wiktionnaire vient juste de paraître et nous avons à peine commencé à le traduire en anglais. Si certaines parties t'intéressent et que tu as envie de faire un peu de traduction, tu es le bienvenu pour aider 
Noé 09:25, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Dara a été plus rapide que toi, et je viens d'ajouter l'avis de publication. N'hésite pas à relire la traduction, tu trouveras sans doute des choses à corriger. Et sinon, bon été à toi Noé 09:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
WikiCon²
Salut !
Cette année, la Wikiconvention francophone tombe en même temps que la WikiCon germanophone, pas de bol ! Ce sera le premier weekend d'octobre et on a déjà proposé dix rencontres autour du Wiktionnaire (alors que les germanophones, aucune !). Est-ce que tu as une idée d'où tu seras ? J'ai proposé que l'on essaye de mettre en place un temps d'échange par vidéo entre les deux événements. Je ne connais pas assez l'allemand pour aller traduire cette proposition aux collègues. Est-ce que tu pourrais éventuellement t'en charger ? Sans vouloir influencer ton jugement davantage, je serai très content de te revoir en France bientôt Noé 10:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Noé: je sais pas encore ou je serai, mais je vais essayer de venir à Grenoble, allez Wiktionnaire! Bien sûr, je peux toujours vous aider avec une traduction. L'idée est de faire un échange des équipes organisatrices ou aussi pour les participants? – Jberkel 22:25, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- L'idée était de proposer ça entre les participants, mais je n'avais pas du tout le temps de m'occuper de ça. Tant pis. Est-ce que tu sais un peu mieux si tu viendras ? Et sinon, si tu veux pratiquer un peu de français, les Actualités de septembre viennent de paraître et nous serions content d'avoir de l'aide pour les traduire en anglais Noé 09:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Noé: Je suis encore en Italie (Sicile), à vélo, donc un peu compliqué d'aller à Grenoble vites-fait :) C'est dommage, j'aurais bien participé encore une fois. Je veux bien vous aider avec la traduction, mais je n'ai pas toujours Internet, donc ça prendra un peu plus de temps. Ciao! – Jberkel 18:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
- Dommage ! J'espérais te voir pour te convaincre de venir essayer ton robot qui ajoute des illustrations sur le Wiktionnaire francophone ! Et puis, parce que ça fait longtemps que l'on ne s'est pas vu ! Mais si tu es en Italie, ton trajet de retour vers l'Allemagne passera bien un jour par Lyon, hein ? Et si tu es encore en Italie en novembre, tu pourrais profiter de l'ItWikiCon ! Ils n'ont rien encore sur le Wiktionnaire, et si tu as envie de récupérer les présentations que nous avons préparé, je peux t'envoyer les fichiers modifiables. Tu n'aurais qu'à changer les captures d'écran pour en prendre du Wiktionnaire italophone et ça serait prêt ! J'suis sûr qu'Otourly serait tenté de t'aider en plus Noé 06:34, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
- @Noé: Je serai à itwikicon, et j'ai proposé d'y faire une présentation, si elle est acceptée je reprendrais volontiers ce que vous avez déjà fait. – Jberkel 08:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Super ! Noé 07:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Noé: Ok, ils veulent bien que je fasse une présentation, alors j'ai besoin de vos fichiers, et peut-être t'as d'autres idées de quoi parler? J'utilise le Wikizionario italien de temps en temps, mais j'en sais rien. – Jberkel 14:26, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Super !
- @Noé: Je serai à itwikicon, et j'ai proposé d'y faire une présentation, si elle est acceptée je reprendrais volontiers ce que vous avez déjà fait. – Jberkel 08:43, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Dommage ! J'espérais te voir pour te convaincre de venir essayer ton robot qui ajoute des illustrations sur le Wiktionnaire francophone ! Et puis, parce que ça fait longtemps que l'on ne s'est pas vu ! Mais si tu es en Italie, ton trajet de retour vers l'Allemagne passera bien un jour par Lyon, hein ? Et si tu es encore en Italie en novembre, tu pourrais profiter de l'ItWikiCon ! Ils n'ont rien encore sur le Wiktionnaire, et si tu as envie de récupérer les présentations que nous avons préparé, je peux t'envoyer les fichiers modifiables. Tu n'aurais qu'à changer les captures d'écran pour en prendre du Wiktionnaire italophone et ça serait prêt ! J'suis sûr qu'Otourly serait tenté de t'aider en plus
- @Noé: Je suis encore en Italie (Sicile), à vélo, donc un peu compliqué d'aller à Grenoble vites-fait :) C'est dommage, j'aurais bien participé encore une fois. Je veux bien vous aider avec la traduction, mais je n'ai pas toujours Internet, donc ça prendra un peu plus de temps. Ciao! – Jberkel 18:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
- L'idée était de proposer ça entre les participants, mais je n'avais pas du tout le temps de m'occuper de ça. Tant pis. Est-ce que tu sais un peu mieux si tu viendras ? Et sinon, si tu veux pratiquer un peu de français, les Actualités de septembre viennent de paraître et nous serions content d'avoir de l'aide pour les traduire en anglais
Images in taxonomic name entries
Thanks for adding images to these entries.
I'd appreciate it if you could add captions that include the species name, preferably enclosed in {{taxlink}}. You don't have to worry about any technicalities of the template, because I follow and empty the important tracking categories.
Wikidata may not be a reliable source for images that are closely matched to our entries. In two cases I've seen today the species did not appear to be in taxon. Papaveroideae (Papaveraceae) is the one that comes to mind. The picture is of a species of Dianthus (Caryophyllaceae, ie, different families).
When adding images I use the commons link in the entry. I try to find:
- images for the type species (for genera, families, orders, etc) whenever possible
- images that shed some etymological light on the name (vernacular or scientific).
- for vernacular names, which uncontroversially have translations, a geographic distribution map
- images of particularly distinctive, weird or beautiful features
- images that show interspecies relationships
I have also noticed that many species of trees, flowers, shrubs, vines, viruses, bacteria, algae do not look very different from hundreds of other species. So any species that has something other than a generic picture should be illustrated from the less common types of images.
If you keep on doing things exactly as you have been, that'll be fine too. DCDuring (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
- @DCDuring: The links were all added automatically as suggested by @Metaknowledge. I'd like to work a bit more on the script, and adding captions would be easy. I'm sure there are some errors in Wikidata, for this reason I've included the wikidata id in the diff (e.g. Papaveroideae => wikidata:Q596716). If you want to help fix the data: Wikidata statements can be "ranked" so you could just add another (maybe more representative) image and flag it as "preferred", which would get picked up by the script. We thought about running the script on all taxonomic entries, but I wanted to wait to get some feedback first. If the data quality isn't good then it might not be worth it. I personally find even the generic images useful – some taxonomic entries are quite technical and the images immediately tell you what kind of "thing" you're looking at. While running the script I also noticed that a few entries had invalid (page not found or ambiguous) Wikipedia links, these could be flagged with
{{attention}}or similar for manual cleanup. – Jberkel 00:03, 22 September 2018 (UTC)- From my PoV this is more trouble than it's worth. If a human user were to regularly make erroneous contributions we would educate them and then block them. DCDuring (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
- A carnation is not a papaveroid. Many higher taxonomic entities have such diverse morphologies in their membership that no image is very appropriate and, indeed no vernacular name or comprehensible substantive definition other than very technical ones is available. We'd be better off with a small icon to indicate which kingdom an organism was from than an erroneous, but pretty full-color picture. Maybe the thing to do is to restrict the addition of images to species, where outright error should be impossible. How can I be informed of the additions as they occur? Also how could an entry be marked as having had a specific image rejected as wrong or inferior? I certainly hope that we aren't going to resort to WikiData overriding manual choices. DCDuring (talk) 13:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
- @DCDuring: Agreed about restricting it to species only. The script is run manually, before doing the next run I can do some test edits firsts so you can check them. If an image is already present the entry isn't touched at all, it's only meant for entries without images which can be unambiguously linked to Wikidata. – Jberkel 07:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Let me know when you are ready to go. DCDuring (talk) 23:09, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- @DCDuring: Agreed about restricting it to species only. The script is run manually, before doing the next run I can do some test edits firsts so you can check them. If an image is already present the entry isn't touched at all, it's only meant for entries without images which can be unambiguously linked to Wikidata. – Jberkel 07:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
- A carnation is not a papaveroid. Many higher taxonomic entities have such diverse morphologies in their membership that no image is very appropriate and, indeed no vernacular name or comprehensible substantive definition other than very technical ones is available. We'd be better off with a small icon to indicate which kingdom an organism was from than an erroneous, but pretty full-color picture. Maybe the thing to do is to restrict the addition of images to species, where outright error should be impossible. How can I be informed of the additions as they occur? Also how could an entry be marked as having had a specific image rejected as wrong or inferior? I certainly hope that we aren't going to resort to WikiData overriding manual choices. DCDuring (talk) 13:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
- From my PoV this is more trouble than it's worth. If a human user were to regularly make erroneous contributions we would educate them and then block them. DCDuring (talk) 12:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Removal of "dangling" Wikipedia links
Thanks for identifying these. I am now revisiting these and adding links to WP articles whose title is not the Wiktionary pagename. I usually use the failed search screen to search for articles that mention the Wiktionary headword, either with a taxonomic or vernacular name of an organism as a title. So for Metalejeunea the WP link is w:Lejeuneaceae. DCDuring (talk) 06:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative!
Hi Jberkel, thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative! It really helps to be able to show that many community members support this – so I'd really appreciate it if you could motivate some of your Wikifriends to sign as well :-) Thanks again, --Gnom (talk) 22:48, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
EWDC discussion
Hello! I'm pondering doing EWDC again. See User talk:Equinox/EWDC. Equinox ◑ 04:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)