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Again, welcome! —Aryaman ^{(मुझसे बात करो)} 19:14, 10 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Здравейте, Kiril kovachev!

Забелязах, че от скоро добавяте думи към Българския речник на Wiktionary и на Bulgarian мартеница (martenica) сте обяснили, че все още не знаете кои темплети да ползвате, когато посочвате етимология. Най-често ползваните са:

• Произход: {{inh|дъщерен език|език-родител|прото-форма}} (inh = inherited), когато съответната дума е пряк наследник на реконструирана пра-дума

  или {{der|дъщерен език|произходен език|прото-форма}} (der = derived), когато думата е производна, но не пряк наследник на пра-дума:

Приетите предшественици на Българския език са cu (Old Church Slavonic) < sla-pro (Proto-Slavic) < ine-bsl-pro (Proto-Balto-Slavic) < ine-pro (Proto-Indo-European). inh не работи ако сложите друг език (пр. Oghur или Bulghar = прабългарски). Темплетът der работи със всякакви езици:

Ако не сте сигурни в произхода на определена дума, просто пропуснете този вид етимология.

• Заемка: {{bor|език-заемател|език-подател|заета дума}} (bor = borrowed) за произхода на заемки:

• Образуване: {{suffix|език|основа|-наставка}} или {{prefix|език|представка-|основа}} за наставки/представки. Преводът на ставката или основата се дава с t1=, t2=, т.н. в зависимост на кое място е зададено. Често, вместо suffix/prefix, се ползва обобщения темплет affix, но той понякога не разпознава кое е основата:

• Свързване: {{compound|език|дум1|дума2|...}} за сформирането на сложни думи:

PS Уточнителите t1, t2, ... могат да се сложат на всяко място, но подредбата на ставките и основата е от значение.

Друг полезен темплет е {{ux|език|израз|превод}}, когато давате пример на някакво значение на думата. Темплетът ux показва примера и превода му на отделни редова. Ако примерът е кратък, обикновено се използва темплетът uxi. Tой представя израза и превода му на един ред:

Също така, за улеснение, можете да пробвате темплета {{bg-IPA|дума на български}}. Разбира се, няма нищо грешно в ползването на {{bg|IPA|/IPA произношение/}}, но той е по-трудоемък, тъй като изисква Special characters.

Надявам се да съм ви бил от помощ. Успешна работа и не се притеснявайте, дори и да допуснете форматна грешка. Българската част на Wiktionary не се следи толкова из късо и е малко вероятно да ви налязат админите-цербери (такива има, но те обикновено работят върху други проекти). 5.150.99.73 11:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Thank you for your contributions. We are now working specifically on improving Bulgarian coverage and providing correct stressed inflected forms, inflections to Bulgarian entries. You will learn with the time. I'm asking you to be more accurate and pay attention to details, as your edits had inconsistencies and obvious errors. As a native speaker, you should be able to spot those, like incorrect inflected forms in a table, wrong stress or a completely different word when you copy/paste from another entry. Please don't leave such entries behind, review your own edits :) We all make mistakes. If you have any questions or have trouble creating new entries or using the new templates, you can ask me or User:Benwing2 who is very experienced and is creating the new modules and templates but he knows Bulgarian even less than me - we don't speak it, we just use resources we can find and ask native speakers for help. Your assistance will be very valuable. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 22:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I blocked your bot because that's standard procedure for any new bot. Please read our bot policy for information on what you need to do to get your bot approved. Good luck! Chuck Entz (talk) 05:17, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Chuck Entz Thanks for letting me know, all good. I'm now in the process of finishing my work insofar as the code, and I'll be seeking approval once I'm sure everything is working as intended. Have a good day :) Kiril kovachev (talk) 10:12, 19 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I believe that the inflection table for подробност (podrobnost), which you have created, is incorrect. It appears to treat the word as a masculine noun, whence *подробностът for подробността. Martin123xyz (talk) 06:47, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Martin123xyz Ah, thanks very much, that is indeed correct. I believe I created that entry in a hurry and neglected to check the declension table. I'll make sure to inspect the declension table more thoroughly in future; I'm sorry for my inaccuracies. Especially for words ending in -ост, I should have known to mark them as feminine. The table should now be corrected. Kiril kovachev (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I notice your bot seems to be delaying 10 seconds between edits. It's probably not necessary to do that; the MediaWiki servers themselves impose a minimum one-second gap between page saves, which in my experience is plenty slow enough to avoid overloading the servers. Benwing2 (talk) 03:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Benwing2 Hi, thanks for this, maybe this is a configuration problem on my end, but it does this automatically on the Pywikibot side—I didn't write any code to slow it down. Since I first used Pywikibot it's always output messages like this, saying Sleeping for 8.8 seconds, 2023-06-25 03:46:17, so I thought this was the mechanism for reducing spam. Having done some inspection of the config file, I'm guessing this is managed by the put_throttle parameter, which like you said was set by default to 10. Should I completely zero this, or just put it to e.g. 1s? If it were truly zero, and I sent numerous requests to the servers at once, would they make sure they go through, or just drop them if more than 1 is sent per second? Thanks, anyway, for your advice! Kiril kovachev (talk) 09:37, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

I think it's fine to set it to 0; you'll get a one-second delay coming from the server itself so it won't overload the server and it won't drop any requests as they're sent one at a time. Benwing2 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Great, I've updated it now. Kiril kovachev (talk) 10:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Kiril, the audio for the Bulgarian pronunciation of вино is very quiet and seems to be cut short. SimonWikt (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Thanks for letting me know. I also noticed the quietness of some of my uploads from that batch as well, which I tried to address when I was recording today; could you please tell me whether you think алкохол (from today's recordings) is still too quiet? In the meantime, I will try to re-record my old audios. Unfortunately my mic is very poor, so I'm having to make do...

With this particular word, I can hear the final vowel just fine; perhaps if you turn it up, you'll be able to hear? Kiril kovachev (talk) 16:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

алкохол seems to be fine. I have my volume on maximum! Definitely can't hear the "о" in вино

SimonWikt (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Hmm, how very strange...! I'll definitely make sure to re-record that one, then. On my end I definitely hear it: it might also be noteworthy that it's pronounced almost like an у (/u/), so it may almost sound as though this phoneme merges with the /n/ to sound more nasalised? Unfortunately I cannot hear what it sounds like on your end, so I'm very sorry it's not playing correctly. This conversation reminded me, though, that I previously experienced a glitch just like what you describe, in which the audio playback on the Wiktionary site's audio player just seemingly cuts off short, for whatever reason. Could you also try downloading the file directly from its source, here, and then play that back locally? If it's still the same then the problem must of course lie in my recording quality, but if there's a chance you might be experiencing the same bug, then it's worth trying this sanity check... Kiril kovachev (talk) 17:40, 12 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Now I have listened to the source link and know what to listen for I can just about make out the sound, but it is drowned out by a background hissing noise. For some reason the audio sounds truncated on my laptop (Windows 10, Edge Browser) but not on my mobile! SimonWikt (talk) 06:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

P.S. the noun section for вино indicates that the stress can be put on either vowel, so if this is correct, then maybe we need audio for both versions 😀 The first reference shows the stress on both vowels and the second only shows it on the first. Keep up the good work! 👍 SimonWikt (talk) 06:56, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt I see, apologies that the mic quality is not the best. It's good(?) that the audio's only truncated on one end, and I presume due to that same bug I was referring to, but still a bit unfortunate, it's been around a while with no resolution... You're of course right in saying there are two possible stresses, and I do mean to record the other one as well. The only reason I didn't do so already is because the workflow on the LinguaLibre site, where I do the recordings, generated a bunch of words, but since it's just basing their generation off of normal orthography (where the accent isn't differentiated), it only provisioned a single recording option for вино. I'll go in and do it separately in a moment, I think. Thanks for the feedback, Kiril kovachev (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

The truncation is often just some kind of random interaction between the player app and other processes. I sometimes get the same audio both with and without the truncation when I click to play multiple times in a row. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi! You can find some test cases for {{bg-hyph}} in my sandbox. Things look good - there was only one case which provided a wrong hyphenation. I might add a few more, e.g. for compound words separated by spaces rather than a hyphen, e.g. интернет страница. Chernorizets (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Hey thanks for this! Would you mind if we swiped some of these onto the main test cases page?

I also see you noticed the . workaround; unfortunately, I think it's impossible to know whether дж is meant to be kept separate or not, so the hyphenation can't ever be 100% correct without human assistance, if I'm not mistaken. That said, good point... I forgot to include that notice in the documentation. I went ahead and added it now, so thanks for the tip-off. Also—as long as you have the time for it, please feel free to make the changes yourself if you feel that they're necessary—don't feel obliged to wait for me. Kiril kovachev (talk) 07:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev feel free to steal as many of these test cases as you'd like ;)

Chernorizets (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, it's already been done! Kiril kovachev (talk) 08:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi,

Just wanted to make sure you were aware that the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences makes the dictionaries of the Bulgarian National Corpus available for download online: https://dcl.bas.bg/bulnc/en/dostap/retchnitsi/. As with any example of corpus linguistics, the dictionaries are derived from a large body of Bulgarian text spanning several decades. Some of the downloadable resources include per-style and all-inclusive wordlists ordered by decreasing frequency, and they end up containing both lemma and non-lemma forms (although not necessarily exhaustively in the case of non-lemma forms). Of course, care must be taken when using such wordlists, because they will "remember" commonly misspelled words, foreign scripts, etc. One way to control for that is to only consider a subset of the full wordlist where the number of occurrences of a word is above some threshold, and where the words are made up of an allowable set of characters.

Here's a sample from the top 300 terms by frequency in GENERAL_lemma__byFreqDes.txt

всеки	1175903
при	    1136745
си	    1083023
през	1069297
след	1031026
трябва	996209
има	    985691
кажа	970027
бъда	960766
ли	    896523
година	890084
*	    889809
ако	    884788
бе	    872103
когато	832338
само	825752
със	    815285
два	    803170
много	797271
време	741035
още	    729926
така	719594
страна	685246
във	    669156
какво	638578
1	    637916
нещо	601619
както	584887
знам	582589

Independently, in a future iteration, we should probably make some choices w.r.t. how non-alphabetic characters are handled for the purpose of anagram formation. For example, the bot determined that an anagram of таз (taz) is таз-, which looks a little weird at first, but it sort of depends on whether the wordlist contains e.g. prefixes, suffixes and/or abbreviations. That answers questions like whether something like пран is an anagram of the shortening напр. for например.

None of those are urgent questions, and I'm fine with the status quo, but it once again reinforces the importance of how the wordlist is selected - what's in, and what's out. The code layer should be able to handle whatever is in our chosen wordlist, per whatever criteria we put in place.

Cheers,

Chernorizets (talk) 05:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Thanks. This looks like a valuable expansion for future runs. Also, I reckon the addition of таз- as an anagram of таз is mistaken, as we later (after the bot finished running) discussed that we should exclude words from being anagrams if they normalise to the same (as those two do). I'll figure out a way to revert all of those for now, and put them as see-alsos instead.

With regard to the wordlist we choose to use, you're right in that there are going to be a lot of cases to consider, which we're now trying to discuss for English; with the sheer size of these data sets, it's basically impossible to proof the entire thing, so we need to make sure it's truly very sound before expanding into more complex data sets. We were fortunate that Chitanka features basically exclusively alphabetic characters + "-" and " " at most. I suggest in this case pruning all correct, Cyrillic-script entries in the list, which would leave only the edge cases behind, which would allow us to see what we're dealing with.

Anyway, thanks for this development, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 11:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hey, would you mind providing an audio recording for this word? I created the entry and nominated it for Foreign Word of the Day - it has IPA but it would be even better with an audio track. My recording situation is... meh right now. Thanks! Chernorizets (talk) 06:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

You got it :) I'm just now going to sit down to record so no problem! (But it's not like my setup is anything to write home about, either...) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 11:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev tenkju tenkju :) Chernorizets (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets It's been done now :p I put it on the page as well. Also, a heads-up about the usage of {{bg-hyph}}: if you don't give any arguments, it'll just use the page title as the argument, so that'll save you a bit of typing if you want to omit it. Unless you need to do a respelling, which ought to be quite rare I reckon. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

BTW, I feel like I can't stop saying the -ка at the end of гадулка almost ejectively, could you confirm that the audio's adequate for that IPA? Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:33, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev I don't hear an issue with the -ка. What I do notice is that you, just like me, sometimes pronounce "л" like /w/ :-) That was the main reason I didn't want to try and record this. If I've misheard it and you said it with an L - apologies, and no further action needed. Otherwise, if you could rerecord it with a clearer L (without sounding strained), that would be ideal. Thanks! Chernorizets (talk) 20:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Sure thing, I can re-record no problem ^^ it's just I was kind of unsure about the difference between /w/ vs /ɫ/, and I think I literally always say /w/... I don't think I know what standard /ɫ/ actually sounds like. I thought it was just an allophone of /w/ pretty much. I don't know what to do with the other recordings I've done, because I know there're loads of others where I make the same deviation, and I don't know whether I should be labelling the audios in some way to show it if it's somehow atypical... Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:24, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

In fact, I think I often say /w/ instead of /ɫ/ in English as well... what a bother xD Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev many people have that allophone of /ɫ/. As the Bulgarian Phonology article explains:

Furthermore, in the speech of many young people the more common and arguably velarized allophone of /l/ is often realized as a labiovelar approximant . This phenomenon, sometimes colloquially referred to as мързеливо л ('lazy l') in Bulgaria, was first registered in the 1970s and isn't connected to original dialects.

If this is part of your speech, I wouldn't go rerecord a bunch of words, because you probably wouldn't end up with "natural-sounding" recordings (I know, from experience, how hard it can be to say L). As a former stage actor, I did have to go to a логопед to fix this, but she gave up on me after several weeks haha There are few of us around here with the ability and desire to record Bulgarian words, so unless we get someone on board who doesn't have this variant pronunciation, we should be good with what we have. Chernorizets (talk) 20:35, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Ahaha, that's interesting, I'm glad to share your pain at least... Were you still able to act, in the end? I didn't think it was so necessary to use standard speech.

Even if I can't change it everywhere, I'll do my best for the FWOTD at least :') As for the /w/ allophony trend, although I haven't paid the greatest attention, I'm positive my parents both say it that way in quick speech, as do my cousins and even my grandmas, if I'm not mistaken... I seem to internally "hear" it as /w/, too—I guess from my lack of consciousness about the difference. Interesting stuff, very interesting! Thanks for informing me, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Здравейте, току-що премахнах коментара ви в лодка (lodka) относно реконструкцията *aldьji, дадена в БЕР. По същността си, тя е еквивалентна с тази, която съществува в Wiktionary. Разликата е, че БЕР прави реконструкции по фонетичните правила на ранния пра-Славянски, докато Wiktionary (следвайки ЕССЯ) я дава по правилата на късния пра-Славянски. По-специално, ранни *a, *ā съответстват на късни *o, *a. Причината за това разминаване е, че в еволюцията си славянските езици са претворили количествените различия между гласните в качествени такива. Безименен (talk) 11:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Bezimenen Благодаря за това попълнение. Не бях сигурен, дали рекунструкцията не бе просто грешка или вариантна форма на „официалната“, и тъй като не познавам много добре пра-славянския, нямах начин да потвърдя. Съжалявам, че написах, че тя била „аберация“, очевидно трябва още да понауча по темата. Но благодаря за поправката, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 11:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Rhymes:Bulgarian/uɫkɐ ;-) Рекох си че ще ти е интересно :)

Chernorizets (talk) 05:58, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Абсолютно! :') благодаря, че я направи страницата, и дано тя да една от дълга серия...! Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 17:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Kiril, the indentation of stock exchange on the борса page looks a bit odd. Cheers, Simon. SimonWikt (talk) 15:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Thanks for letting me know. I guess I wrote it a little unclearly; it was supposed to show that a stock exchange is meant to be included under the general "exchange" meaning, but with the example sentence there too, it made it kind of confusing. I did some general improvements now, and also moved the stock-exchange sense to the top-level definition; is that better? Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 16:11, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Cool! Looks good now :)

SimonWikt (talk) 16:23, 8 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi, you should probably have template editor status, so you can edit protected Lua modules. If you are interested, you can post in the Beer Parlour requesting this; I will support you. Benwing2 (talk) 21:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

I'm interested—I'll go ahead and make a post for that. Thanks for your support :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 22:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Lemme know if you find it useful :-) Chernorizets (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Ah, thanks, that's a valuable one for OCS-related terms. And much bigger than the online histdict they have from the University of Sofia! Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 22:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

This Romanian word comes from Bulgarian, but the accent of the original etymon is missing, could you add it whenever you can? Rodrigo5260 (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Rodrigo5260 Sure, done. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Kiril, regarding your recent edit, I'm curious as to why a monosyllabic word with one vowel requires a stress indicator. Is this a feature of the pronunciation module? Should I be doing this for all such words? I believe I have added some monosyllabic Bulgarian entries, I will go back and check. Thanks, Simon SimonWikt (talk) 06:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt sorry to step in, but I assume @Kiril kovachev made the change because this is a multi-word term. Single-word monosyllabic terms don't require a stress mark, but multi-word terms (regardless of syllable count) now do, after some recent changes. Kiril can provide the details. Chernorizets (talk) 09:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Ah, thanks for letting me know.

SimonWikt (talk) 10:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt That's right, we made a bug fix plus a general change to the pronunciation template so that it now reduces single words in a multiword expression if they don't have an explicit stress. If you now tried removing the stress, it would try to reduce the vowel in хляб (hljab), which is not right. So don't worry about doing this for all monosyllabic entries - it's only required for monosyllabic words that are part of a multiword term. I apologise if this is inconvenient - currently thinking of whether this reduction can be simplified to only cover certain words: it's really most applicable to short function words such as да (da), which mustn't be stressed, even though they're monosyllabic, whereas хляб would obviously never be reduced. I'll keep you updated if there's a change again, and sorry for the confusion, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 10:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Thanks for the information, I'll try to remember this in future 😀 SimonWikt (talk) 10:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

P.S. @Kiril kovachev No, need to apologise! I'm a newbie and I'd rather not make edits that other people have to correct! That said, I'm glad that someone is checking my edits, I know that I have made mistakes! :) Thank you and @Chernorizets both, I appreciate your support.

SimonWikt (talk) 10:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Thanks, I very much appreciate your edits. We all make mistakes, so you especially have nothing to apologise for here! In this case it's not your fault at all, it's our module change that caused this breakage, so I do feel sorry for suddenly bending the rules whilst you're still getting used to them. Anyway, I'm glad we cleared it up, and have a great day, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 11:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Thanks for explaining in my place :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 10:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi Kiril, sorry to trouble you, I am now confused! I put the stress on 'за' in the IPA definition as a result of our conversation above, about monosyllabic words that are part of a multiword in the IPA entry. I obviously misunderstood! Could you please enlighten me? Thanks, SimonWikt (talk) 08:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Hi, sorry, I was far too vague above. What I meant up there was that all words without an accent are automatically reduced by the template, so if a word should specifically not be pronounced reduced — i.e. if it must pronounced with its full vowel quality — only then do you need to put an accent on it. Thus, for words like хляб (hljab) in пълнозърнест хляб (pǎlnozǎrnest hljab) above, you would want to put an accent on it, or else it would end up as instead of . Do you see the difference?

Basically, for all content words, like nouns, verbs, and adjectives, you almost always want the stress, because the word is meant to stand alone; but words like я, му (short forms of the pronouns), за, със, от, etc. (monosyllabic prepositions) aren't independent, but rather rely on the surrounding words for meaning, and so are not stressed (because their meaning isn't what's important, but the things that they relate in the sentence). The only time за, със, etc. would be stressed is if the speaker is trying to emphasize their meaning, but usually that isn't the case. In кърпа за лице, за's function is to relate the purpose of the towel to the face, so in this case the word за itself isn't being emphasized and shouldn't be stressed. If you're familiar with English's weak forms, then I'd suggest these words in Bulgarian are a nearly perfect mapping onto those. E.g. in English, "the" is pronounced as most of the time, but when said with emphasis, it's /ˈðiː/. So here in Bulgarian, we're effectively faced with the same situation. If you want, I can try to compile a subset of words with this weak property so that you don't wonder which ones are meant to be included — fortunately there aren't that many, though. I hope that's more understandable, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:12, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks @Kiril kovachev, I think I now have a better understanding! To be honest, the nuances are a bit beyond me, so if in doubt I'll put an rfp in the Pronunciation section :)

SimonWikt (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Alright, I'm glad if that helped in any way :) I'll be happy to see your rfps, just @ me in the edit summary and I can check it if you need. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 18:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

P.S. I have also removed the stress in the IPA from 'за' in четка за зъби and паста за зъби. I hope that this is correct and that I am not creating more problems than solutions! SimonWikt (talk) 18:29, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Quite right, those are the same situation as кърпа за лице, so good move! @SimonWikt Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 18:30, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

I see you're developing a Bulgarian pronunciation module! This is great. I should note that rhymes are typically the stressed syllable to the end. Is this tradition different in Bulgarian? I'm asking because the examples in the sandbox do not follow this. Vininn126 (talk) 13:59, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Vininn126 Rather, I'm just building on Benwing's existing work :) if the conversation interests you, we're talking actively on Module talk:bg-pronunciation. Regarding rhymes, what do you mean? It was my understanding that the "rhyme" (what we pass to the rhyme template) is the stressed syllable, minus its onset (so get rid of the consonants preceding the vowel), plus the entire rest of the word after that. For the first IPA, , this would be the ɛk, and for the second (fictive, that stress is wrong but I but it there to test the rhyme generation), it should be -> ɔvɛk. As far as I understand, you need to remove the consonants preceding the stressed vowel, e.g. map and trap would both rhyme as -æp, which makes sense because we know these words rhyme. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you mean. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 14:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

That seems correct then, it seemed that I saw the accent on the first syllable but the rhyme was frmo the second. All seems on the up and up, keep up the good work! Vininn126 (talk) 15:01, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Vininn126 Right, nice, thanks for keeping an eye out! If I do mess something up, please keep on criticizing it so that we get it right :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 16:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

Just FYI, I'll be traveling internationally the first half of September, so I probably won't be active on here during that time. Keep holding down the fort ;-) Chernorizets (talk) 04:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Safe travels, and do enjoy! I shall do my best in your absence :) I myself will be heading to university starting the second third of September, so who knows what will happen to my regularity after that... here's hoping it won't affect all that much. We've done some good work this summer, at least :) again, hope you have a good travel, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 12:16, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev thanks! :) Chernorizets (talk) 21:34, 2 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

In case you're interested, a number of Wiktionary editors communicate regularly over Discord. Details on how to join the Wiktionary server can be found on Wiktionary:Discord server. As it happens, the #balto-slavic channel is one of the most active (if not the most active) channels on the server. There is also a #japonic channel. Just FYI :-) Chernorizets (talk) 07:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Ah, that's nice, I hadn't really paid this much attention before - I now created an account. Looking forward to seeing what discussion goes on! Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Kiril kovachev, would you mind checking the audio on мравка? I can't hear the "r", is that how it is said? Thanks SimonWikt (talk) 20:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Hi Simon, it should definitely be pronounced, but you can't hear it so clearly on that recording. I'll try to get that re-recorded. My "r" in this case is overlapping a little with the "m", so you can't necessarily distinguish it so clearly. Thanks for identifying this hole — I'll be sure to put a better recording on. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

OK, thanks Kiril. SimonWikt (talk) 20:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi! If you look at Category:Bulgarian verbal nouns - which now has 400+ items instead of the 11 it had before your bot run - a lot of them are missing declension tables, additional senses, references, etc. This is sort of to be expected due to the way they were being created from verb conjugation tables. It's not an immediate thing, and maybe it just falls under the BLIP umbrella, but at some point we should give them some love. I think a divide-and-conquer approach would be saner than one person trying to go thru all of them. Again, not a pressing thing - just FYI. Cheers! Chernorizets (talk) 06:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Chernorizets Indeed, we might want to organize that somehow, e.g. you and I take some 200 each or something if you like. I don't insist on making it immediate either — maybe after we run through any more pronunciation things in the immediate future. Good idea. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for this note. I appreciate it a lot. I'm not gonna change my ways though, as bots can do this shit. Fond of sanddunes (talk) 19:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Fond of sanddunes Haha, quite right. Thanks for your thanks. Have a great day, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 19:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

здрасти @Kiril kovachev, Thanks for your recent audio additions 👍 Are you working through https://en.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/Category:Requests_for_audio_pronunciation_in_Bulgarian_entries? SimonWikt (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Hey, sorry, I actually didn't know about that! Or maybe I did, but totally forgot. In principle I was just going on LinguaLibre and letting it generate entries from , but I'm sorry, it would make much more sense to prioritize those first! The way I saw your requests was actually through total coincidence, and it didn't occur to me to look for any others there might be...

I'm actually in Bulgaria right now, but I'll be back on Wednesday and from then on I'll look in RFP first in case there's more stuff to do :) Hopefully I'll have some measure of time in the next few weeks for all that. In fact I'm now also remembering I forgot to re-record мравка (mravka) — so sorry about that...!

Thanks for the reminder, and thanks for all your additions recently. It's great to have fellow Bulgarian editors around :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 21:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Здрасти @Kiril kovachev I hope you enjoyed your trip to Bulgaria, you'll have to come and visit next time!

Could you check the audio for те please, sounds like it is intended for a different word!

Благодаря, SimonWikt (talk) 21:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @SimonWikt, I did check it out, but it sounds fine to me - what word does it sound like to you? Also, thanks for the kind words, I did indeed enjoy my time, and I plan now to record some more words tomorrow morning :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 22:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Здрасти @Kiril kovachev. On my devices the 't' sounds like a 'd' and there is some artefact of the recording at the end of the 'e' that sounds like the beginning of another letter, when I first heard it I thought it was a pronunciation of 'де' or 'ден'.

Maybe it's just the clarity of the audio, your more recent recordings have more volume and are much clearer than the ones from last summer.

Keep up the good work!

SimonWikt (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Haha, alright, I'll re-record this one then, in that case. I can't personally hear anything after the 'e', but my audio might not be very well set up. But, since you did have a setup-related audio issue before, maybe try it again in a different environment?

My other comment is that the reason for the similarity to де (de) is probably caused by the lack of aspiration, whereas in English 't' is strongly aspirated and 'd' not. I don't know if that totally accounts for the discrepancy though, so I'll go ahead and make it clearer :)

Also, concerning the volume, I'm thinking (probably once I finish Category:Bulgarian lemmas) of trying to run an audio cleanup bot, which can normalize the volumes of all the recordings, check for artefacts maybe, etc., since it's a shame there are quite a few with not-so-great quality, lots of different volumes over all the recording sessions, and so on. Thanks for bearing with me till then :') Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 08:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt I've now recorded most of the requests for audio, although due to the way I'm adding them there will sadly have to be some delay before I can update the pages - I haven't yet configured the bot to remove the RFA when it's adding audio, so it'll end up pasting that on top of/before/after the request without replacing it; but you can still find all the words if you'd like at . Also, I record them in batches, but there were a few that I wasn't happy with, so I'm now gonna re-record those ones, so they'll come out soon. For similar technical reasons I can't re-record те/мравка till afte the rest have been added... Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 09:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Now they're all done but разг., for which I don't know if it's right to pronunce it as , as I've never heard this pronounced TBH. Just as how 'n.' is pronounced 'noun', I imagnine others usually pronounce the whole word too (which I do in my head too), but I don't know. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 09:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev I probably shouldn't have bothered adding a pronunciation section for разг. I notice that most abbreviations don't have them although some do, like г. which has the full word as the pronunciation.

It probably makes sense to adopt a standard approach, should we leave out the pronunciation section for abbreviations, put a pronunciation section with the whole word, or something else? What do you think?

Let's get some feedback from @Chernorizets as well :)

SimonWikt (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt My preference would be to make the pronunciation section read something like "Same as разговорен.", potentially linking the same audio as appears on the full word, but I can't say what's best. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @SimonWikt, I would refrain from adding pronunciation sections to abbreviated words, unless there is a notable/common pronunciation other than the full word.

As for the specific example of "разг." and others like it, please be sure to use the correct POS header. I forget if we have one for abbreviations specifically, but if not - the actual full form you've provided is the adverb (= "colloquially") rather than the adjective (= "colloquial"). Chernorizets (talk) 00:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Chernorizets, thanks for you input. I have removed the pronunciation section from разг.

I am confused by your POS comment, according to Georgiev, Vladimir I., editor (1971), “разг.”, in Български етимологичен речник (in Bulgarian), volume 1 (А – З), Sofia: Bulgarian Academy of Sciences Pubg. House, →ISBN, column 1, page X разг. is an abbreviation of разговорно, which according to “разговорно”, in Речник на българския език (in Bulgarian), Chitanka, 2010 and * “разговорно”, in Речник на българския език (in Bulgarian), Sofia: Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, 2014 is the third person singular of the Adjective разговорен. Where am I going wrong?

Thanks, SimonWikt (talk) 07:31, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt разговорно (razgovorno) is both the neuter singular form of the adjective разговорен (razgovoren), as well as the base form of the adverb derived from that adjective. I believe the intent of this and other similar abbreviations is to convey adverbs, so that when it's applied to word sense definitions, it's equivalent to saying that the word in that sense is "(used) colloquially".

Things like разг. (razg.) in Bulgarian dictionaries correspond to labels on Wiktionary, like {{lb|colloquial}}. As you can see in Module:labels/data, this is aliased to {{lb|colloquially}} - the adverb form of the label. So you have a choice for the full form of the abbreviation - if you want to treat it as an adjective, the full form should be the adjective base form, which is always masculine singular - разговорен (razgovoren). If you want to treat it as an adverb, the full form should be the adverb base form - in this case разговорно (razgovorno). I think it should be the latter.

You may want to add a "Usage notes" section to indicate that this particular abbreviation is used in dictionaries to label colloquial words or word senses. Not a requirement, but just a suggestion. Chernorizets (talk) 11:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Hi Kiril, great work, thanks!

SimonWikt (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

My pleasure :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 20:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Hey Simon, I think it's sorted now. It turned out not so big of a deal, I just had to remove the bits where there was an {{rfap|bg}}, but it's now been handled. There are a few entries where the bot couldn't automatically insert the audio, but I will now go through them quickly. Please post more if you need them, Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Alright, the ones requiring manual attention are done, but there are some whose variant audios I haven't recorded yet. I am still thinking about how to do this in general in my current setup, which is only optimal for words that have a single possible stress, but I can try to concretely focus those words in RFAP at least. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Kiril kovachev, that's great! I'll check them out. I have done a few more rfap's since we last spoke, but not many.

Thanks SimonWikt (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Kiril kovachev thanks for your recent audio additions, the quality and volume is great!

SimonWikt (talk) 15:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev @KovachevBot If you don't mind, can you also perform automatic anagrams with your bot for Tagalog language? Thank you! 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 13:06, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 Hi, I can try! :) Is there anything I should look out for in Tagalog, or can I basically treat it like English when generating the anagrams? Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev I think just treat it like English. If I see exceptions, I'll edit them and let you know :) Thanks! 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 13:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 Alright then, I'll let you know when it's started running! ^^ Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 14:15, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 One problem though, I can't read Baybayin — I saw you made several entries in it, but should this be an issue at all? The bot will still sort all the Baybayin letters like English ones for the purpose of anagrams, but if there are any special symbols (e.g. there appear to be certain diacritics, like on ᜐ᜔, which I think I don't currently handle), it will probably think that two things aren't anagrams when they actually should be. This isn't catastrophic, as at least it won't generate any false anagrams, but what should I do about it? Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 14:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Oh can you exclude the Baybayin for now? Just the ones with Latin letters. 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 14:25, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 no problem then :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 14:37, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 Okay, it has run a little bit, looking fine so far, you can see its results on sumagot, pistola, paya, Pisis, kawing. Further considerations: it says on the Wikipedia page for Filipino alphabet (which AFAICT is the alphabet used in Tagalog now?) that 'ñ' and 'ng' are distinct letters, so I figure words shouldn't be considered anagrams if they break up 'ng'. I've also made a manual modification to re-join n + tilde into ñ, so that the diacritic doesn't get stripped when normalizing anagrams. I.e. basically ñ will not be turned into n by the script when considering anagrams. But I will need to work harder to figure out how to treat 'ng' correctly — am I correct in the first place to treat these letters like this, or should I be applying the previous English logic to them still? Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Also g with tilde as well, as in bong̃a. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

For ñ that is correct, they're a separate letter, for ng, please treat them like they're separate letters n and g. Reasoning for that is ng can be pronounced either /ŋ/ or /ŋg/, which makes it not considered a letter. For this algorithm at least. So sanga can be an anagram for gansa. If you like, you can send me a .txt of the words with "ng" processed. 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Forgot tag. 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Yes please treat "ng" like English as if "sing" has an anagram "nigs". 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 15:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 OK, here is a list of all the anagrams that might be affected by "ng", but no problem, I will treat it like separate letters anyway.

kawing, wangki

Gabon, bong̃a, bango, bagon, Agbon

sungko, sukong

panutog, patungo

kalingaan, kailangan

nanaginip, panginain

yanga, yaang

banig, Abing, bagin

Kumintang, kumintang

walang-bayag, walang bayag

hilagang-silangan, hilagang silangan

Pang., pang-, Pang

na'ng, nang

walang-pakundangan, walang pakundangan

sangko, sakong

dingding, ngidngid

hangad, hagdan

bangsi, bangis

lingo, ilong, Liong, ngilo

miting de-abanse, miting de abanse

lagyan, Ylagan, ngalay

sagingan, sangagin, sinangag

dalampasigan, samaing-palad

panukalang-batas, panukalang batas

linggo, gilong, Linggo

gatang, tangga

gapang, pagang, agpang

lingap, laping, paling, pingal, pangil

gising, singgi, siging

sunugin, suungin

piing, ginip

manginsulto, mang-insulto

sagansan, sasangan

tangina, ginatan

sumulong, Sumulong

magkataling puso, magkataling-puso

bangga, bangag, bag-ang, bagang

walang-kaluluwa, walang kaluluwa

anghang, hanggan

tingni, tingin

tinig, iting, tingi, ingit, ngiti

singli, singil, Lising

usngal, sungal, sung-al, lugnas, lungas

karunungan, Karunungan

yangyang, ngayngay

gansal, asngal, sangla, sangal, salang

Panginoon, panginoon

pagitan, pag-itan, patagin, pangati

tangis, tignas

sungi, ungis

lanog, lango, galon

saing, angis, sinag, sangi, Isang, singa

panaog, angpao

ningas kugon, ningas-kugon

mangaliwa, maliwanag

sangkal, langkas, saklang

Gaston, tangos, gantso

dagang puti, dagang-puti

masinggan, magningas

lusong, sulong, lungos

kutong-aso, kutong aso

Kongreso, kongreso

kulalaying, Kulalaying

walang bayad, walang-bayad

tingga, tanggi, gitang, tigang

Bangkal, bangkal

pulong, pungol, punglo

bantog, Tangob

hingal, haling

galong, lagong

walang-sala, walang sala

bunga, buang, Bunag

kamanga, mag-anak

anga, naga, gana, gaan

laang, angal

bugtong, Bugtong

tabang, tab-ang, batang

langkaan, Langkaan, anaklang

dulang, lungad, lundag

ingaw, gawin, ginaw, gaw-in, iwang

hangal, halang

gatlang, tanggal

ingay, yanig

Langgam, langgam

tagain, tag-ani, tainga

Gascon, Sangco

hibang, bahing, gabhin

ika nga, ikanga, 'ika nga

alang-alang, ngalangala

pusong mamon, pusong-mamon

Emong, Monge

Parang, parang

awanggan, gawangan

tugno, tungo, ungot, untog, gunot, tugon, tunog, utong

sangandaan, Sangandaan

Angeles, Senegal

Ong, Ngo

galang-galangan, galanggalangan

-ng-, 'ng, NG, -ng, n.g., ng̃, Ng, ng, n͠g

Sangalang, sangalang

langka, angkla, kalang

gitling, linggit, tinggil

babang-luksa, babang luksa

taping, patnig, pangit, pantig, Pantig, tap-ing, pating

kandungan, kundangan

labing-, labing, baling, bilang, langib, libang

gayang, yagang, yangga

hinang, hangin, hingan

Ebanghelyo, ebanghelyo

ungi, guni

muang, umang

magaling, Magaling

kasing-, sangki, sikang

banting, bintang

walang-kain, walang kain, kalawangin

tangay, Tanyag, tanyag

lutong, tulong

ping pong, pingpong

bagalan, balanga, Balanga, Alabang

abang, banga, gaban, baang

gansa, angas, agnas, sanga

galang, Galang

tangka, angkat, katang

ateng, tange, tenga

ganap, panga, pag- -an, panag-, Gapan

makiling, mangikil

lansangan, Lansangan

Sangley, sangley

buteteng-laot, buteteng laot

luwang, lungaw

walang-hanggan, walang hanggan

tumangis, masungit

singga, sanggi, saging, sangig, sigang

talibong, balingot

ugong, Ugong, unggo

Gining, nginig, ngingi, gining, ing-ing

panget, ngetpa

walang-bisa, walang bisa

salubong, balungos

litang, langit, taling

busong, bungso, usbong

tangkad, takdang

tunggali, lunggati, taguling, tulingag

dilang, Lingad, dingal

Gina, angi, inag

kulong, lukong

gitna, ganti, ating, tangi, antig, tinga, ingat, tinag

tong, Tong

tango, angot, ganto, taong

lingas, langis, islang, silang, Silang, lasing

yangit, tiyang

mang-udyok, mangudyok

lungib, buling

Manggahan, manggahan, maanghang

suminga, sigmuan

siping, pisngi

abangan, banagan

tungki, kuting

gawan, awang, angaw, ngawa, waang

sunog, nguso, ungos, sungo, usong, suong

timbangan, Timbangan

mamay-awang, mamayawang

sungay, sugnay

bungal, lubang

mang-abat, magtaban, matabang, magbanta, matab-ang

katulong, kulangot

bulung-ita, tubig ulan, tubig-ulan

sang-, sang

mangayaw, Mangaway, may-angaw

pambungad, Pambungad

Gan, nag-, Ang, ang, nga

pingga, paging-

alingasngas, alisangsang

bugnit, Buting

dalang, dangal

ango, naog

tibagan, baitang

lanting, Lanting

ganta, tanga, angat, Gatan, Angat, tagan, atang, ngata

nganga, ang-ang

walang hiya, walang-hiya

kusing, sungki

wangis, singaw, siwang, sawing

malunggay, maygulang

dagang bahay, dagang-bahay

kahinaang loob, kahinaang-loob

yabangan, bangayan

dayang, Dayang

layanglayang, layang-layang

sakang, angkas

sumangayon, mag-anunsyo, sumang-ayon

ngalngal, langlang

lakdang, dangkal

yungyong, nguyngoy

palakas-tinig, isip-talangka

Kang, kang

kamuning, Kamuning

kutong, tukong, tungko

matang-lawin, matanglawin

dunong, dungon

lumbang, Lumbang

nguya, ugnay

sabangan, Sabangan

hukbong panghimpapawid, hukbong-panghimpapawid

Loleng, lelong

pagong, pag-ong, gapong

ganoon, Angono

Pangan, pang- -an, pag- -nan

ligwan, lingaw, waling, lawing

buwang, bungaw

bangko, bakong

ngayon, ngay-on

atungal, gulanta, tag-ulan

tubig tabang, tubig-tabang

Dalangin, dalangin

uang, unga

Magno, maong, among

linga, angil, Linga, laing, Aling, ilang, aling

siling labuyo, siling-labuyo

tungag, tungga

upang, punga

yabong, bayong, bay-ong

sahang, hasang

walang-kuwenta, walang kuwenta

maangal, alamang

langgonisa, longganisa

magna, manga, maang, mag- -an, mang̃a

putangina, putang ina

nangka, angkan

saligan, isangla, anislag

panagko, pangako

Manong, manong

bansag, bangas, sangab

tulingan, lungtian

taning, tignan

patong, pantog

maligayang pasko, maligayang Pasko

mangilin, maningil

bungot, bugnot

uwang, gunaw

daeng, Deang

Mababangloob, mababang-loob

salagubang, Salagubang

humigit-kumulang, humigit kumulang

ginang, Ginang, naging

upong, pugon

anong malay ko, ano'ng malay ko

anak ng puta, anak ng tupa

Silangan, silangan

iling, ingil, liing

katungkulan, kalungkutan

balisakang, sa kabila ng

ngitngit, tingting

kalangay, langayak

malagong, Magalong, maglango

lungga, gulang

hinaing, hininga

kawayan-kiling, kiling-kawayan

ganid, daing

kambing, Kambing

Isabang, bigasan, basagin

ano'ng problema, anong problema

Hongkong, Hong Kong

sumilang, Sumilang

mang-, Mang, mang

yagban, yabang

inang bayan, Inang Bayan

pangko, angkop

hanga, ahang

kantog, takong

ingrata, Trangia

tagulamin, tumingala

Asiong, gasino

nagwas, aswang, sagwan

lingil, liling

bug-ong, bugong, bunggo

inggo, Inggo

lamang, Lagman

kasing-kahulugan, kasingkahulugan

bay-awang, bayawang

tuwang, tugnaw, tungaw

basang sisiw, basang-sisiw

matinga, maingat

ketongan, engkanto

bintag, tabing

tingid, tindig

saligang-batas, saligang batas, Saligang Batas

manghihipo, maghihipon

mangahas, Mangahas

banggit, bagting

inang, ngani, ninag

mangupit, pumangit

luningning, Luningning

Tatlong Hari, Tatlonghari

Mangoba, magbaon, mabango

suang, ungas, Sagun, usang

tanggo, gatong

tigdas-hangin, tigdas hangin

mag- -han, mangha

yanggi, giyang

kalawang, kawalang-

lungkot, tungkol, tuklong

kawang gawa, kawang-gawa, kawanggawa

pangat, tapang

pang-uri, pagurin

ping-il, piling

yasang, sangay, sayang

capangyarihan, Capangyarihan

tabingi, bigatin

salitang kalye, salitang-kalye

berdeng dugo, dugong berde

bingot, tibong, bintog

hilagang-kanluran, hilagang kanluran

dagang parang, dagang-parang

walang-awa, walang awa

krung krung, krung-krung

tong-its, tongits

takdang aralin, takdang-aralin

duong, udong

langpas, paslang

dagang bukid, dagang-bukid

kinang, angkin

salitang hiram, salitang-hiram

pangitain, pag-initan

panig, ipang-, pinag-, pinga

pulong-bituin, Pulong-Bituin

tingka, taking, tikang

bulingbuling, Buling-Buling

umingay, yumanig

Tiaong, antigo, ganito

muyangit, munyagit

bangaw, bang-aw, bawang

wating, tawing, ngawit

panauhing pandangal, panauhing-pandangal

apitong, ipatong

igting, giting, inggit

ising, ngisi

sungsong, Sungsong

walang-dila, walang dila

Maningas, magisnan

yangot, tayong

sanglay, Sanglay

dagang kosta, dagang-kosta

linggi, giling

ayungin, niyugan

daong-daungan, Daong-daungan

taong-grasa, taong grasa

alipunga, paliguan

Magtanggol, magtanggol

yumabang, Maybunga

ungkat, tukang

gaong, gango, agong, anggo

walang habas, walang-habas

duyong, udyong

dugtong, dunggot

mang-inis, masining

pisang, singap

lalang, langal

gibang, baging

matsing, gintsam

Manang, manang

dungis, dusing

kamoteng kahoy, kamoteng-kahoy

luyang dilaw, luyang-dilaw

Paskong mahaba, paskong mahaba

Pangilinan, pangilinan

salitang ugat, salitang-ugat

buntonghininga, buntong-hininga

langgas, lagsang, gangsal

walang-humpay, walang humpay

lagnat, talang, ngatal

libingan, bilangin

gulung-gulungan, gulunggulungan

gangsa, sangag

magpatunay, mapangutya

Mga Bilang, maglangib

kanang kamay, kanang-kamay

ungal, ulang

hukbong-dagat, hukbong dagat

alimango, Alimango, Maglinao

Alangilan, alangilan

ihing kidlat, ihi ng kidlat

ano'ng oras na, anong oras na

pakinabang, Pakinabang

daong, Gonda

mangako, magkano

ampang, mapang-

barong Tagalog, barong-tagalog

Magtanong, magtanong

pagbabago ng klima, pagbabagong-klima

maango, Manaog

mangaral, marangal

P.S. Even if you forget the tag it's okay, I always get a notification if it's on my talk page :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 It's basically ready to run now BTW, so if you let me know it's OK to do, I will set it off. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Cool! Didnt even know some words are anagrams like samaing palad and dalampasigan. Please set it on. 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 15:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 Alright, sorry for the delay, but it's now going! There are up to 5858 edits it will do, so it should take less than 8 hours hopefully, although it is getting slowed down because it's running the English ones at the same time :O

Thanks for your help with all this. Please tell me if there are any problems, and also if there are, you can type in "halt" into User:KovachevBot/halt in order to make it stop itself. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 16:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev I was wondering if why aren't the anagrams ordered alphabetically. Is that intentional?

example in Balatik

The anagrams were

• talikba, balikat, baklita

shouldnt it be baklita, balikat and talikba? 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 17:22, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Though, I'm thinking maybe the sorting can be done in Module:anagrams instead. 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 Hi, I didn't consider the sorting of anagrams. I didn't realize they should be sorted, my bad. I can go through afterwards and sort them again in a second bot run... ideally, they can just be sorted once in the wikicode, so that the anagrams module doesn't have to do anything extra, but I suppose it'd be fine either way. Apologies for the issue. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 18:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

FTR, this is not intentional, but basically random: it just depends on the order in which the anagrams are added to the data set when the program is initialized, so until you mentioned this I did not realize there was any need to correct this before placing the anagrams into the page. Oh well :') Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 18:51, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Not sure if all anagrams were already added but thanks! 𝄽 ysrael214 (talk) 22:31, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ysrael214 I think so, I was just about to message you! It just finished a moment ago apparently. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 22:36, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Could you do something to get this out of Category:Pages with ParserFunction errors? For some reason the system is trying to execute the embedded template code, and there's a bug that keeps it from going in Category:Pages with ParserFunction errors/hidden. The simplest fix would be template-syntax elements in js comments before and after, such as //<nowiki> and //</nowiki>, that would tell the parser not to execute it.

Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 14:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Chuck Entz Dear Chuck, I'm not sure I quite understand why there is an error, but may you please see whether it's gone now? Was it the case that the {{}} notation was making it try to apply some sort of parser function there? Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 18:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, it's fine now. As far as the system is concerned, anything in almost any namespace that's formatted like a template invocation is parsed as a template invocation. I've seen all kinds of things happen in userspace js pages over the years, but nowadays most people just import code from certain other users' js pages, and those other users know how to prevent problems like this. Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 05:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Chuck Entz Ah, okay. Thanks for letting me know, glad it was fixed :) Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 13:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Kiril kovachev, I saw your accent change on затворете, the reason I added it as 'затво́рете' and not 'затворе́те' was because this is what Slovered said: https://slovored.com/search/accent/затворете. Does this mean that there are errors in Slovored or in the Wiktionary declension template? I hope that Slovered is correct as this is my 'go to' when I cannot find accents in Chitanka, IBL or PONS! SimonWikt (talk) 15:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

P.S. I added the same example to затворя SimonWikt (talk) 15:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@SimonWikt Hmm, I'm quite certain that it's 'затворе́те'. I can't quite explain why this type of verb or another should have a particular accent, but in this case it unfortunately might just be an error on Slovored's part. If it were 'затворите', the placement on the о would be correct, so maybe that's Slovodred's problem...? Also note that some words you'll find are homographs with others, but Slovored appears to give you just one accent, so while for разтворим I got "разтворѝм" (soluble), it could also be "разтво̀рим" (we dissolve). So, I guess be careful on there, although I'm sure it's usually correct for most words regardless. As far as I've seen the Wiktionary template has been correct in all instances, and in this one it seems to be correct as well. But, if you find more discrepancies, please let me know! Thanks for telling me about затворя — I will go and fix that one as well. Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Kiril kovachev Ah OK, thanks. Do you mind if I ping you when adding accents that I cannot corroborate anywhere else other than Slovored, just to be on the safe side? or should I add some sort of 'rf' template?

SimonWikt (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sure, you can ping me, that'd be great. Maybe there's some kinda rf-template but idk 😅 @SimonWikt Kiril kovachev (talk・contribs) 15:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply