I haven't really worked with Tübatulabal, and I can't afford to access articles behind paywalls, but I have one source you may not be aware of: C Hart Merriam was a naturalist who also worked with American Indian languages (I guess he considered them part of the "fauna"). He was really bad at transcribing the words (he stubbornly refused to learn phonetic transcription), but he was a taxonomist who really knew the local flora and fauna. You can't use his data to add a word, but it comes in real handy if you already have a word recorded by a taxonomic illiterate that's too vague. Unfortunately, his notes contain only one word for acorn, which looks like his version of /waʔant/ or /wahant/. Of the oaks he mentions here, the Black Oaks Quercus kelloggi (not californica) were considered the best by all the indigenous peoples throughout California, albeit restricted to higher up in the mountains and not bearing well every year. From the description, I would guess that wohont would be one of the other species, though I would expect Quercus chrysolepis and at least one of the scrub oaks that have been split off from Quercus dumosa in the area. Of course, the scrub oaks were universally despised for food and may have been ignored by his informants on purpose...
To sum up: if it isn't a general term for all acorns (my hunch), it would probably be Quercus wislizenii or Quercus douglasii.
As for comparanda, there's a good candidate here: Pinus sabiniana is probably the most common pine in that area, and he records that one as "wo-hănól". I'm not sure about the first o, but he tends to use breves for schwa-like sounds, so the ă is probably /ɨ/ or what he heard as a reduced-syllable schwa. The last syllable seems to some kind of a suffix for trees- look at the difference between the word for the pine nut and the nut pine further down (that's the "Tübatul-" in Tübatulabal, and has cognates throughout Northern Uto-Aztecan), so it might be a direct descendant of Proto-Uto-Aztecan *wokon. If you can find it in the Voegelin dictionary, that would be much better than a vague word for acorns. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Voegelin has waʔant (“acorn sp.”) as well as wohont (“little hard acorns”), so the former is probably the one that corresponds to Merriam's "wah-ahntʹ". I notice that Merriam also lists "wo-huntʹ" twice with the meaning "Digger pine nut", so I'm guesing that's the correct meaning and Voegelin was wrong to describe it as a kind of acorn.
Voegelin doesn't have anything corresponding to Merriam's "wo-hănól" (which, looking closely, I think is actually "wo-hŏ-nolʹ"), but he does have wohombo·l (“bull pine”) corresponding to Merriam's "waw-hum-bahl" ("Ponderosa pine"). They're probably both derived from wohont. --Lvovmauro (talk) 04:04, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
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What did you intend here? DTLHS (talk) 01:23, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi, although we use asterisks when we link to reconstruction entries using templates like {{l}}
and {{m}}
, the page titles themselves shouldn't have asterisks. I am therefore moving your Proto-Oto-Manguean pages to equivalents without the asterisk. Thanks! —Mahāgaja · talk 09:42, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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There's an editor I've been watching for a long time, Phonchana (talk • contribs • global account info • deleted contribs • nuke • abuse filter log • page moves • block • block log • active blocks). He has a history (not just with this account) of editing out of his depth in a wide variety of languages and subjects, and with using templates and labels to make things unnecessarily complicated and technical. Lately he's been working on proper nouns derived from Latin American indigenous languages. Based on his history, I would expect a general pattern of trying to push his meager knowledge and sources farther than they merit, with serious mistakes randomly scattered through otherwise decent work. I've been able to catch a couple of errors- but this isn't my area of expertise. Would you be so kind as to look through his recent edits? Thanks! Chuck Entz (talk) 01:42, 22 February 2020 (UTC)