User talk:Prahlad balaji/Archive

Thank you for adding etymologies to Macedonian entries. In future, please put the etymology section before the pronunciation section and not below it, in keeping with Wiktionary:Entry layout. Martin123xyz (talk) 12:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Martin123xyz, thanks for the notice, I wasn't aware of that. I will definitely follow this in the future. Prahlad balaji (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi, sorry, but I'll need to address this after all. You can't just replace any {{bor}} with {{bor+}}, you need to reach consensus within the language community first, find out if they want to use the +-templates. From what I can remember, only Russian, Italian and Indo-Aryan languages are using these +-templates for now. So please don't add them in other languages without discussion. Thadh (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Thadh: Ok, thank you for telling me, I was not aware of this. However, can I use {{inh+}} or {{bor+}} in new entries I create (not replacing anything though)?

Thank you, Prahlad balaji (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hey! I think you're also interested in updating the Tamil words in Wiktionary; so far, I've been using this pdf of inflection tables, but I'm really interested in more sources if you happen to know any. I've only updated a few entries to demonstrate how the conjugation tool I created, here and here, works. — This unsigned comment was added by Dragonoid76 (talk • contribs).

Hi @Dragonoid76! I don't happen to know any sources, but I am interested in updating the Tamil words in Wiktionary. Thanks for adding the conjugation table! Prahlad balaji (talk) 21:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I was trying to add my level of understanding on Telugu and Malayalam in the Babel box, but for some reason, it isn't working. If I leave it as 'te' and 'ml' it works. But when I add '-2' to it, the box doesn't recognise it. Am I doing it wrong?

Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 09:17, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I have corrected it. Prahlad balaji (talk) 15:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, sorry to bother you. But I just came accross this page . The article title is incorrect. The first Tamil month is called சித்திரை, from the Sanskrit lunar month Chaitra. And there is no such word in Tamil as சிரித்தை as far as I know, seems like a mix of two words. சிரி(laugh) சிறுத்தை(cheetah). I tried correcting the title, there's no option to do it. Since I'm new here, I have no clue what to do. Is there anything you could do? Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 17:28, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Emmanuel Asbon Hello, I also checked and no such word exists in Tamil. I tried to move the incorrect page to the correct title (சித்திரை), but a page for சித்திரை already exists. So, I have nominated the incorrect page for deletion, as it is a misleading page. Best, Prahlad balaji (talk) 17:34, 12 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much once again. Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 04:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

No problem, Emmanuel Asbon. Prahlad balaji (talk) 04:44, 13 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I saw your new article மோ (mō), just wanna let you know that "மோ" doesn't actually mean to sniff, infact it doesn't mean anything in present day Tamil. When speaking people say மோந்து பார் (sniff it/smell it).

The word மோந்து is the casual spoken from of the word முகர், which is sometimes written as நுகர்— though it has a seperate meaning on its own, 'to consume'— which means to sniff/smell/intake/breath in. முகர் stems from the word மூக்கு (mūkku, “nose”).

It's common for Tamil words to change from மு to நு in spoken form. (முனை -> நுனை -> நுனி; where முனை is the formal way to write 'tip/edge' and நுனி is the casual spoken way to say the same; முப்பது -> நுப்பது, etc.)

There might've been a word மோ in ancient Tamil, but modern Tamil doesn't have any. Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 07:31, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Emmanuel Asbon! Thank you so much for letting me know. It does seem to be an actual word (I got it from https://dsal.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/tamil-lex_query.py?page=3379, the same link as generated by {{R:TAL}}), but I have nominated it for deletion at your suggestion, because I am not sure of the exact senses that this word has, and because I am not a Tamil expert. It's a rarer word, so I will let a person with more experience in these types of words create it.

Again, thank you very much for your help. I am not a native speaker of Tamil, so please bear with me. Regards, -- Prahlad balaji (talk) 07:59, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

No problem. I really appreciate you for your time and effort in adding more Tamil words everyday, I should thank you for that. :) Have a nice day/night! —Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 09:38, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Same to you as well! Prahlad balaji (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

அவ னச்சந் தந்தைபோ லிருக்கிறான்.

Hi, I noticed that you changed this line into a more simpler form, but the thing is, these lines are written in a poetic structure, so that it meets with certain grammatical meters in Tamil, you can see that a lot in Thirukkural and other ancient texts. It might look weird and out of order, but it is supposed to be written that way. You'll notice one word split into two and added to the words that precedes and follows it, and vowel letters inbetween letters, but these are exceptions when it comes to poetry. Especially those that are written in Old and Middle Tamil.

Here's an example from another ancient text called Periyapuranam,

நல்லதாய் தந்தை ஏவ
 நான்இது செயப்பெற் றேன்என்
றொல்லையில் அணைந்து தோட்டத்
 துள்புக்குப் பெரிய வாழை
மல்லவங் குருத்தை ஈரும்
 பொழுதினில் வாள ராஒன்
றல்லல்உற் றழுங்கிச் சோர
 அங்கையில் தீண்டிற் றன்றே.

Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 16:03, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Emmanuel Asbon Thank you for explaining. I thought it was some kind of error; I undid my edits. I'm sorry if I'm being a bit of a hassle to you, I'm still relatively new to this kind of stuff as well. Prahlad balaji (talk) 16:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Prahlad balaji Like I said before, it's no problem at all. I'm happy to share what I know and learn what I don't. No need to apologise. :) —Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 16:45, 22 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, there is no plural form for தூக்கம், and all these words தூகத்தை, தூகத்துக்கு, தூகத்துடைய, தூகத்தின், தூகத்தில் needs a க் after the தூ.

Hi @Emmanuel Asbon, thank you for catching my mistake. I fixed it. -- Prahlad balaji (talk) 15:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, just wanted to let you know that, கிழி doesn't have anything to do with 'falling' or 'defeating.' it simply means 'to rip something' or 'tear something.' The etymology 1 doesn't exist. But there is another word that sounds so similar to கிழி, it's கீழ் (kīḻ), which means 'under, below or down.'

Also, in casual spoken form, கிழி means that someone did a really good job at something. Similar to the English phrase 'nailed it.' Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 18:23, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Emmanuel Asbon - Hi! I did not add the definitions of "falling" and "defeating" to the verb; it was already there. The only reason I added an Etymology 1 and Etymology 2 section is that the first verb is intransitive while the other is transitive, and they have different conjugations (the first is class 2 while the second is class 6). Prahlad balaji (talk) 18:36, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Prahlad balaji Sorry, didn't know it was someone else's edit. About the intransitive form of கிழி, it doesn't have any conjugations. It only conjugates in transitive form. கிழிந்தேன், கிழிவேன்... All that doesn't exist. Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Emmanuel Asbon What about கிழிந்தது, does that exist? Because according to J.P. Fabricius, it does. Prahlad balaji (talk) 18:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Prahlad balaji Yes, but not for living things that is identified with the pronoun 'it.' You can use it only for inanimate things like paper, cloth. Things that can be 'torn.' கிழிந்தது simply translates to 'that which is torn.' Like I said, கிழி is only associated with the meaning 'to rip' or 'to tear' and nothing else. So if you think about it from that prospective, you'll see how it works. Like, people don't say 'I will be torn,' 'I was torn.' Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 18:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Emmanuel Asbon I do understand, but the template won't let me get rid of certain forms, so I guess we'll just have to make do with it. As there is an intransitive meaning (just not for people), I think leaving it as it is would be fine, since it's not possible to get rid of nonexistent forms. Thank you for pointing it out to me. :) Prahlad balaji (talk) 19:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Prahlad balaji alright then, no problem. :) Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Prahlad balaji Hi, about கிளப்'s pronunciation, both b and p are accepted. People who are familiar with the English word 'club' tend to use the b sound, and others use the p sound. Emmanuel Asbon (talk) 03:30, 10 April 2022 (UTC)Reply