User talk:Tofeiku

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Again, welcome! kc_kennylau (talk) 01:45, 18 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

When an alternative script spelling appears in the headword, I think an "Alternative forms" section is necessary. "Pronunciation" usually goes between "Etymology" and the part-of-speech header. And when you find yourself writing things like |tr=aikidō </i>あいきどう<i>, it is a sure sign that you should step back and ask someone else how to do what you want to do. (Someday we could switch <i> tags to <span>s, so this workaround is very unreliable. And we have a specialised {{ja-l}} template just for Japanese.) Feel free to visit WT:Information desk any time, or maybe WT:Grease pit or WT:Beer parlour if you are looking for something a bit less overloaded.

Also, I recently edited {{ms-noun}} so that you can specify Jawi/Rumi spellings as |j= and |r= parameters. Could save you some typing.

— Keφr 18:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ok. I copied the etymology from the English's etymology section and I see that most Malay entry have alternative forms section. Thanks for informing me! --Malaysiaboy (talk) 08:15, 20 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Well, I think putting it just in the headword line looks cleaner. Look at some of our Hindi/Urdu and Serbo-Croatian entries for comparison. The other entries can be changed.

Also, I investigated a bit why you made this edit (and some similar others) and I came across a paper on Unicode and Jawi orthography. Apparently, there is still no good solution for this problem. However, DISPLAYTITLE is shared between languages, of which there may be a few on the same page. If this correction ever clashes with another language, it will look ugly. The |head= parameter is preferable for such corrections. But |head= influences only the headword line, not category listings, for one. (Neither does DISPLAYTITLE, as far as I know.) So, I would suggest spelling the "¾ hamza" as U+0674 ARABIC LETTER HIGH HAMZA instead. It may not look ideal, but at least it renders consistently, and I think it will create less problems in the long run.

However, I am no expert on this. So a few questions for you:

1. How much of a "big deal" is it? Is the baseline-hamza "incorrect" or is it just a stylistic difference, like the Serbian variant of б? Maybe both are in usage and considered distinct? The materials I found were not very explicit about it.
2. Are you aware of any fonts designed specifically for Malay which render either U+0621 ARABIC LETTER HAMZA or U+0674 ARABIC LETTER HIGH HAMZA as the "¾ hamza"?

Cheers — Keφr 09:58, 22 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Well...

1. The Jawi Letter Hamzah Three Quarter (^ء) most use in any spelling, for example: ketenteraan: کتنترا^ءن. Both ا and ^ء resembles "a". It helps to tell the difference. Without the hamzah, it will look like this کتنتراان. While the normal hamzah (ء) only use for Arabic loan words like قرءان (Quran). And currently the Jawi Letter Hamzah Three Quarter are being requested so that users could spell Jawi correctly. Hope the hamzah will be avaible soon. Click here and here for more detail.
2. About the fonts I'm not sure...

Thanks for telling me :D --Malaysiaboy (talk) 10:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

I was looking at some old maps and found the name Malaysia used for what appears to be the entire Malay archipelago from the Island of Sumatra to modern day Philippines. The maps are and .

@Fredrick Campbell Yes. The term predates the formation of the nation. --Tofeiku (talk) 09:55, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Tofeiku: In the page for Malaysia, however, it seems to suggest that the name was coined when the Federation of Malaysia was formed. Fredrick Campbell (talk) 09:57, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply