Hi Widsith,
Dunno if you're already watching this . . . your input would be welcome. Since I rarely use our Old English entries, and never contribute to them substantively, I'd like to hear from people who do.
Thanks in advance,
—RuakhTALK 18:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm happy to find that page, as I'm much more interested in Beowulf in the Ænglisc than in translation. Heaney's was interesting to get my hands on, but, as a hard-core language geek, I'd much prefer to read the source and get a sense for the original cadence and meanings. Your page is most welcome in this regard. :)
I'm curious about one thing though -- you note that all eths appear as thorns. Why is that? I see both upper- and lowercase eths in the Others list below the editing textbox. Is this a technical limitation of some sort, or due to how words are collated here in Wiktionary? I'm also curious about the presentation -- why no breaks at the end of lines? Was this to conserve space? Note that this isn't intended as criticism at all, simply questions I have. :) -- Cheers, Eiríkr Útlendi | Tala við mig 19:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
{{alternative form of}} entries. But if you're interested in reading Beowulf in OE, there are lots of good editions available. The Mitchell & Robinson one is particularly good. You can also get one with the Heaney translation on facing pages, which is quite nice. Ƿidsiþ 20:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)This has been bothering me for some time. Surely this should be fr-4? I'd even considered changing it myself, but decided this would be unethical. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:51, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Your input would be welcome, if you have any. —RuakhTALK 18:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
If it's ok with you, I'd prefer to archive the 2010 debate and start a 'new' deletion debate for 2011. The reason being it's so far up the page, it will be hard to find. This would involve me undoing your latest edit to the 2010 debate. Mglovesfun (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
A quick one, anything to add to any of these? They're only my user page precisely because I don't know all the conjugated forms. Some of them are pure guesses based on the modern spellings. Mglovesfun (talk) 12:59, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I just deleted this ... again. I think we need to watch it. -- ALGRIF talk 16:52, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Algrif nominated this for WOTD. It's a great choice IMO except that its etymology is unclear. (What language is endeveren? Does our word come from that or from Middle English endevour? Etc.) Would you mind having a look at it, please, seeing whether you can clean it up?—msh210℠ (talk) 15:50, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Whence did you get /ˈkɔːnɪtsɪ/? And why do you keep adding (deprecated template usage) From to that etymology? — If you want to make it a pseudo-sentence, use "Formed as (deprecated template usage) X + (deprecated template usage) Y." or the like. — Raifʻhār Doremítzwr ~ (U · T · C) ~ 18:04, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
I've noticed that you omit "that" in expressions where I would use it: today, in "Now I've written it down ...". Where is that omission (relative to my way) prevalent? I know it is not just your idiolect as I've heard it before. DCDuring TALK 15:39, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I tried a Google News search. The newspapers that have the collocation "now I think about it" as a parenthetical are mostly not US, AFAICT. DCDuring TALK 04:02, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering whether you might want to add a note similar (or opposite) to mine for legislative intent purposes.—msh210℠ (talk) 06:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Do you think you could contribute your expertise at ] or the etymology section of ], please?—msh210℠ (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. :) I'm quite the fish out of water here! :D --Moonriddengirl 17:16, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Looking at commons:File:Bayeux Tapestry WillelmDux.jpg, the Latin here for duke is DVX. It comes back to my question about vp, we want to have a Latin entry for DVX or dvx in stead of dux. Also, I've come across trouer for Old French trover as well. BTW I'm not claiming to have all the answers, especially for ancient languages like these two. --Mglovesfun (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Am trying to add pronunciations to Old French words w:Old French does help, but just says which sounds exist, not which sounds go with which spellings. For example, I'd imagine escut is /ɛskut/ but I'm not sure, and I don't know how to check. I supposed it's mainly theoretical, anyway. --Mglovesfun (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Unrelated: you have a lot of unneeded things in your signature all you need is {{Latinx|]}}. If you have some ifs and switches that aren't used. --Mglovesfun (talk) 15:24, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Most English dictionaries and OnlineEtyDictionary show it as being used in Middle English. I may be a matter of dating the Middle English/EME divide. I had restored the ME template, but would defer to your judgment. DCDuring TALK 16:20, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Just so you know, this template now calls on {{isValidPageName}} to make links. {{ang-decl-noun/doc}} ought to explain what this means, if it doesn't, please let me know and I will try and explain it better. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
I take your point about Middle French, really, there is no difference whatsoever between archaic Modern French and Middle French. AFAICT every Middle French entry could have a French section; apart from words/terms which are only attested once or twice. If you were to propose a merge Middle French into French, renaming {{frm}} to {{etyl:frm}} I'd support it. Note that this is the situation with Ancient Hebrew, {{hbo}} has been renamed to {{etyl:hbo}}. So there is a precedent. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:23, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello, if I may ask for your advice: what would be the immediate impact of removing "Usage in a well-known work" on the inclusion of words from Old English? Like, can it be that many Old English words attested only in Beowulf would be removed if the resulting CFI would be applied strictly? Would the concern with these words be a good reason for turning from support to oppose in the currently running vote? Right now, I am slightly perplexed. Do you think it wise to rely on future addition to CFI of a bullet that is going to include poorly-attested languages by requiring only one citation for them? Thank you for any input, and sorry for many questions. --Dan Polansky 14:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Just looking over my list of Anglo-Norman words used in etymologies; this etymology seems a bit confused; it seems to say that weyver comes from waiver. That seems a bit odd. Also for the verb, should the second 'definition' be a definition, it just says 'see waive'. Is there a verb waive, if so, it needs {{en-verb}}. Anyway, good news is weyver is attested as a noun on the verb (see the Anglo-Norman On-Line Hub). --Mglovesfun (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
¶ Please do not insert meaningless content on my talk page; or if you have a disagreement directed at someone, do not leave it on my discussion page. --Pilcrow 08:48, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
¶ I am pretty sure I can not “delete” any one’s comments since readers can still click the ‘History’ tab and see it any time they want. Regardless, I do not want you (or anybody else) constantly bringing up my revision as an excuse not to bother talking to me. --Pilcrow 09:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I think this is Wonderfool or someone else that was banned before. They seem to be creating entries in random languages, at a speed that seems unusual for a new user... —CodeCat 13:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Hey, You did not even ask what I was trying to do befor you warned me. Pulse you did not even take the time to check my username out on all Wikimedia sites. That's not very fair now is it. Iamiyouareyou 14:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for welcoming me. Of course I would be happier as well if I could provide correct formatting. Since you were offering it and I cannot find it in the given links, could you tell me or provide me a link how to create declension tables?Dakhart 06:56, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Your input would be welcome.
If we get rid of this, then ] will be changed to refer Berber rather than to Central Atlas Tamazight.
Thanks,
—RuakhTALK
15:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I am sorry, I fail to understand the removal of this page? I have received from the "Oxford University Press" "Oxford Dictionaries" and "Scottish Qualifications Authority" today that "physistical" is a word, please consider this and recheck with your sources. It is unlikely to appear in dictionaries for a month or so. I here by request the re submission of the word "Physistical" to Wiktionary immediately. Thank you. Sir Peter A. Bert. January 12th 2012, 19:11 GMT.
In this revision you removed the determiner section. Do you intend to make (or indeed have you already made) similar changes to other Determiner PoS sections? I was originally quite reluctant to accept the Determiner PoS for Wiktionary but became convinced by its adoption by Longmans and Cambridge. (I don't know about others.) I think we have consensus on accepting the heading. Even if there are true adjective uses, I am not at all sure that the uses in the citations you added would be considered as adjectival. DCDuring TALK 18:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Do you think this entry is sensible and accurate? Equinox ◑ 00:59, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I had not realized that there were two etymologies for note and, possibly, for some of the derived terms. To me it seems as if some of the modern senses might reflect a merger of the two earlier sets of senses. Moreover, of note seems not to fit not at all well with the Latin etymology, though our definition implies that derivation. Thoughts? DCDuring TALK 16:54, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for adding those quotations. I'd added three initially, what was wrong with those? I thought definitions were good to include, does Wiktionary prefer uses? Is there a guideline? Fences and windows 19:57, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
What do you think of this edit? Are they all good? I can see that some might be, but some (if they are) are beyond my experience with English. If you think some of these need to be removed, then the "Rhymes" link on the entry for the corresponding word will also need to be removed. If they don't need to be removed, how can we tag the words added, since they're a bit weird and certainly don't rhyme as a group in most of the US? --EncycloPetey 17:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Could you help with this (newly created) entry? I'm not sure whether to call it "English" or "Middle English", among other issues. --EncycloPetey 03:28, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm curious about the change you made to breaks in the pronunciation. This is at odds with what I find in major pronouncing dictionaries. --EncycloPetey 01:32, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry that this has taken such an extraordinarily long time to get back to you about. There is an adjective κρυπτάδιος, which means secret, clandestine. κρυπτάδια would be the neuter plural, which would mean "secret things" or some such, which is where the English word is coming from, I suspect. However, as you note, the same word (κρυπτάδια) is also the adverb form of κρυπτάδιος, but I can't really see how it would spawn an English word with that meaning. Again, sorry about the delay. -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 00:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
What would the IPA be here? Looking at w:Old French#Phonology, I'd go for /ˈrɔ.zə/, though I suppose /ˈrɔ.sə/ is also possible. Mglovesfun (talk) 11:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
done. thanks for the tip. is there a place where all the {{whatevers}} are catalogued on one page?Givemeachance 06:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
you weren't kidding. maybe i should put together one for the most common ones.Givemeachance 06:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
There’re examples of modern usage of this form here. I would altre it back but I do not want to risk getting chastised once more. --Pilcrow 19:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I almost beat you to the ] punch but you edit conflicted me, perhaps if the article is that new you could wait a sec or two?Acdcrocks 07:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Because you voted in Wiktionary:Votes/2011-07/Categories of names, I'm informing you of this new vote.—msh210℠ (talk) 01:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
As the chief rewriter of the would page, would you be able to add a definition that matches this quote? --Rockpilot 21:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Widsith. You are the winner of WT:FUN and as a result I am endebted to be your slave for an hour. What would you like me to do for you, master? Your wishes are my command. --Rockpilot 09:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi Ƿidsiþ--
I'm not particularly surprised that the very long explanatory quote I had put in for the science entry got quickly reverted. However, while acknowledging the page's usage notes, which is certainly helpful, do you not think that an explicit distinction between "theory" as a term of art in scientific fields, as opposed to its usual understanding in a more colloquial sense, is worth making there? This is one of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted terms in the language - and not only with respect to evolution. Milkunderwood 20:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
{{science}} context tag at the start of the line (which you removed); the citation was way too long (if you pick out a specific short sentence, you could re-add that, or alternatively add the whole thing to the Citations:theory page); and finally your tweaks to the definition, by using italics, seemed to add nothing except a vague air of condescension. I'm also not convinced that (deprecated template usage) term of art is well-known enough to be useful. I think your best bet, if you still feel Wiktionary should make more of the distinction (which I actually don't), is to work on improving the Usage Notes. Ƿidsiþ 09:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)I guess my first thought is that term of art is a useful phrase for people to be aware of in making important distinctions between different meanings, and after all, it is blue-linked for easy access. I was trying to somehow make it more explicit that the word theory is so widely misunderstood and misinterpreted in any scientific context. A large part of the problem is that scientists themselves use the word loosely at least as frequently as in its strict "term of art" sense. Milkunderwood 10:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Very frankly, the reason I had posted that extremely long discussion as a quote was that about a year ago or so, I saw that a very confused person had written to Scientific American to the effect that since evolution was so widely accepted among scientists, its status should be "upgraded" from being a "theory" to being a "law". The suggestion itself didn't surprise me at all, but SA printing it without comment blew me away. Then shortly afterwards, I found in New Scientist the exact same quote, attributing it to SA, again without comment - but in this case, New Scientist likes to poke deadpan fun at silly stuff.
Now if you may recall, a few years ago E O Wilson suggested that there may actually be a "law of evolution", which raised something of an uproar at the time. But what he meant had nothing to do with the confusion expressed in the assertion printed in Scientific American or New Scientist. Instead, Wilson was suggesting that evolution may be an inevitable and invariable, observable, characteristic of all life forms generally. This perfectly fits the definition of law as a term of art. He was certainly not suggesting that the theory of evolution was "proved beyond doubt" (which theory of evolution? - there are many, differing in important modes of action), and should be "upgraded" to the status of being a "law". Besides which, Wilson is well aware of Popper's principle of falsifiability.
Anyway, it was all this that I had been trying to clarify. Confusion in scientific terminology runs amok, and my feeling had been that Wiktionary might be a useful venue for trying to straighten some of this out. These terms - theory, and law, as well as hypothesis, do certainly have their loose and colloquial meanings and uses, but it seems important to distinguish these from what is denoted in their stricter senses. I sure don't know how to do it though, myself. Milkunderwood 11:35, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I've started a discussion in the Beer Parlor. I'd really like to know the community views on this. Any additional input would be great. Thanks. – Krun 13:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)