Wiktionary:Votes/2007-05/Expand namespaces for default searches

This vote has been postponed pending concrete feedback on which namespaces, specifically, should be included in searches by default.

This vote has been superceded by Wiktionary:Votes/2007-06/Expand default namespaces for searches

• Voting on: Unregistered and newly registered users have the Main namespace as the only one used in default searches. This is not sufficient, excluding for instance the Appendix and Wikisaurus. The Wiktionary community should be able to will decide which namespaces, when unspecified, should be included, and (edit:) needs to be able to expand the default search options accordingly. We look to petition the developers (edit:) for this added feature and are thankful for their feedback.

  Edited DAVilla 18:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• Vote ends: 19 June 2007
• Vote started by: DAVilla 17:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
• Discussion: Wiktionary:Beer parlour#What namespaces to include by default in search
• New vote: Wiktionary:Votes/2007-06/Expand default namespaces for searches

1. Support DAVilla 18:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
2. Support --Richardb 12:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

   Vote to petition the developers to give Wiktionary Bureacrats the facility to change the default for the namespaces to be included in the default search. Additional voting will be required to decide which namespaces will be included in the default seach. — This unsigned comment was added by Richardb (talk • contribs).

3. Support † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 13:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

   Richardb and Doremitzwr, since this vote has closed, would you care to voice your support in the new vote? DAVilla 18:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

1. Abstain EncycloPetey 18:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC) There is no indication of what exactly we are voting to support or oppose. I support investigating the idea, but no vote is needed to investigate the idea. --EncycloPetey 18:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   That would be the adoption of the above resolution, the idea that we need the facility to expand the search defaults. DAVilla 18:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   It is not clearly worded at all. The resolution looks to me like a proposal to endow the community with the option to make decisions. The community can already make decisions without a resolution vote. --EncycloPetey 18:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   We could do all the deciding we want, but we couldn't implement it. As to the wording, please make a suggestion for an alternative, and I can close this one down and you or someone else can start it again at a more syntactically correct title. DAVilla 18:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   If I knew what exactly was being proposed, I could suggest an alternative wording, but I don't know what this vote is really about. What, exactly, are you seeking support for? --EncycloPetey 18:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   When someone creates a new account and edits the default search options in their preferences, only the Main namespace is ticked. There are other namespaces that should be ticked, including Appendix and Wikisaurus and whatever else the community thinks should be included by default. Likewise, more namespaces should be searched by default for those who visit the site anonymously. DAVilla 18:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   Then this vote is premature, if we haven't even decided what namespaces will be covered by a supporting vote. Right now, the vote is about something that hasn't been discussed fully or decided. If specific namespaces were listed, I could support a proposal like "Expand the default search to include the following namespaces: (include list here)." But as it stands, there is nothing specific to support or oppose other than having the discussion. I see no point in voting to have the discussion. --EncycloPetey 19:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   We don't need to vote to have the discussion, a discussion that may not be at all controversial by the way, but we will need to vote regardless to expand the seach. The wording assumed that people felt this would be necessary at the conclusion of such discussion, giving two good examples of namespaces that are currently excluded by default. But I see now that it had also assumed faith in democratic principles. If you need to have a concrete example in front of you to decide yeah or nay, so be it. Now postponed. DAVilla 19:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

2. Abstain — who exactly should have the ability to make these changes? Is this something for bureaucrats to take care of? Would each proposed change require a vote? Do we really expect this to change over time?; why not just decide now what namespaces we want to be in the default search, and let the devs decide how to implement that? —Ruakh_TALK 18:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   The community, the same group of people who do everything. It would probably be admins who make the final changes, but anyways anyone with responsibility is only empowered to do what the community decides. Yes, it will change if we create new namespaces that need to be readily searchable. Your last idea would really be of benefit if nobody here can think abstractly, which is to say that it sounds like a pretty good idea right now. DAVilla 18:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   How do we add new namespaces? Maybe we should just have a vote now deciding which namespaces should be searched by default, with a rider that when any new namespaces are created, the vote that creates them should specify whether they are to be searched by default as well. —Ruakh_TALK 19:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   Now that is something bureaucrats take care of, and also a very good development proposal. DAVilla 20:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

   So how about a vote "Voting on: Whether to petition the developers to give each Wiktionary's bureaucrats the ability to specify which namespaces are to be searched by default by users who haven't specified default namespaces in their preferences."? —Ruakh_TALK 21:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

• Withdrawn