Wiktionary:Votes/2007-07/Best ice cream example vote

• Voting on: Best ice cream (example vote)

Example voting style for intuitive "Wiktionary-style +1/0/-1 voting".

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With this vote, we shall end the million-year old controversy of which flavor of ice cream is the best. Add additional flavors as L4 headings, before "Decision".

• Vote ends: 14 July 2007
• Vote started: --Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
• Vote created: --Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
• Discussion:

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1. Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Abstain DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Strong support. bd2412 T 01:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Support ArielGlenn 05:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Strong Oppose: Ew, chocolate. Absolutely worst thing to come in an ice cream ever. Even though I know that is a controversial decree. Somehow chocolate ice cream has always made me sick. So ew. Neskaya 05:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
7. Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
8. Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I fully agree with Neskaya here.
9. Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) I once read that 14 out of every 10 people like chocolate.
10. Late support Chocolate is the best at this moment of my life. In 2007, I would definitely have chosen vanilla. --Daniel 19:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

1. Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Support DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Support Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Oppose: I used to love this, but I've become quite tired of it. DAVilla 11:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Oppose Neskaya 06:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
6. Oppose EncycloPetey 05:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Disgusting; I once knew someone who made floats out of this flavor and Dr. Pepper.

1. Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Oppose DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Strong Oppose Neskaya 05:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I fully agree with Neskaya here.

1. Support Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Oppose DAVilla 11:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose Neskaya 06:02, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I can't support such utter frivolity.
5. Support ArielGlenn 06:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I can't believe I didn't see this heading earlier. This flavor is *awesome* !
6. Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Bwah, chocolate ice.
7. Abstain EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Abstain Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Abstain Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Will change to support if candidate indicates it will be used primarily for milkshakes and the like, or with butterscotch topping
3. Oppose DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) It’s so dull.
5. Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) But only a really good vanilla where you can see the seeds in it, otherwise it won't have that rich vanilla flavor.

1. Support Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) This candidate doesn't deserve the harsh treatment it's receiving! I believe it would make an excellent Tasty Flavor of Ice Cream.
2. Oppose DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC) (— Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
4. Oppose ArielGlenn 05:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Oppose H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I do not like coffee.

1. Oppose Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Oppose Abstain: I absolutely love strawberries, but I absolutlely detest artificial strawberry flavor. In Asia, where I have been for the past year and a half and lived for the past four years, there are very few quality ice cream brands. Too many flavors of strawberry, if they aren't completely fake, mix the artificial flavor with aged strawberries that have been super-sweetened. DAVilla 11:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Oppose Connel MacKenzie 01:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC) Deserts and nuts should never be combined.
2. Abstain DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC) (Oppose per Connel MacKenzie, and because the name has always sounded odd to me. — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC))

   It is an odd name, isn't it? For the longest time, I thought it was Colonel MacKenzie. ;-) Helluva lot more interesting than David though. Maybe I should change my name to Rocky. ;-) Or maybe just a symbol, like a full circle. :-P Not sure how to pronounce it though. Maybe "Saro". :-7 DAVilla 00:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

4. Oppose Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Another member of the Chocolatist camp.
5. Oppose ArielGlenn 06:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC) What on earth are those marashmellows doing in there? Let alone the nuts...
6. Oppose Ew. Chocolate? Neskaya 06:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
7. Abstain H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I have no idea what this is. Once again, the vote is not designed for a multilingual dictionary.

   Incorrect. I have no knowledge of ice cream styles in Italy, China, Peru or Algeria, so I didn't enter any such choices; as you have demonstrated below, options can be added easily. I was hopeful that we'd get a whole bunch of really obscure choices, but so far that hasn't happened. It is w:Rocky road ice cream, but is not as popular as the biased WP article indicates. --Connel MacKenzie 22:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

9. Oppose Dvortygirl 05:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Yuck. Who came up with putting walnuts and marshmallows in ice cream, anyway? --Dvortygirl 05:33, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
10. Oppose EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Marshmallows are an abomination.
12. Support Medellia 06:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC) As I recall, I come from the birthplace of the flavor. Someone has to, for lack of a better term, represent.

1. Support DAVilla 09:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC) I really have having to make "strawberry" into a retronym though. DAVilla 22:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Support — Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC) (— Beobach972 00:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
3. Oppose Connel MacKenzie 05:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC) It is the wrong color! And too many people are allergic to strawberries to make this "the" flavor. --Connel MacKenzie 21:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Strong Support Yum. Neskaya 06:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Support Leftmostcat 06:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
6. Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support Neskaya 05:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Image:Symbol support vote.svg Support Connel MacKenzie 05:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Abstain Connel MacKenzie 06:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Comment: Ewww, botulism. --Connel MacKenzie 06:19, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

   Seems over-reactive to me. Please substantiate. DAVilla 22:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

4. Strong Support Leftmostcat 06:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Very strong candidate. Shows many of the qualities I seek in a Tasty Flavor of Ice Cream and has a long history of being delicious.
5. Oppose ArielGlenn 06:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC) There is not nearly enough chocolate in this flavor.

The distinct lack of overbearing chocolate is why this flavour does not meet the standard of ew, and is therefore a candidate for best flavour ever. :p Neskaya 06:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Abstain H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I have no idea what this is.

   Vanilla ice cream with small chunks of raw chocolate-chip-cookie dough mixed in. --Connel MacKenzie 22:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

2. Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose - what sort of idiot would put cookie dough into ice cream? Oh, I see, it's American. SemperBlotto 22:11, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
4. Abstain DAVilla 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Can't remember if I've tried this or not. Sounds delicious and simultaneously repulsive. DAVilla 22:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support Leftmostcat 06:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
2. Abstain H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) I have no idea what this is.

   Vanilla ice cream with Oreo (tm) cookies smashed into tiny pieces, mixed in. --Connel MacKenzie 22:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

3. Oppose EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)}
4. Oppose DAVilla 22:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC) Shouldn't that be "creme" i.e. not real? DAVilla 22:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
5. Support Connel MacKenzie 00:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support H. (talk) 09:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Has been my favorita ever since I was a kid.
2. Oppose Connel MacKenzie 19:04, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Nuts are evil in ice cream.
3. Support DAVilla 20:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC) Wonderful flavor! Should drop the s in the title though. DAVilla 20:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support EncycloPetey 05:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) This is my favorite flavor; when I visited Hungary you could get it for just 8 or 9 cents for each delicious scoop (12 cents at the expensive shops).
2. Support DAVilla 20:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
3. Oppose Connel MacKenzie 00:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC) No nuts in any desert context. (And everyone ignores the vote end date, anyhow.  :-)

1. Support — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Mmm... — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC))
2. Abstain Okay, but too often aritificial, as if it were really that difficult to get the flavor of lemon! Also not so good in large quantities, which is the only way I like to eat ice cream! DAVilla 20:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Called Himbeere, this is a German flavour. I admit that putting raspberries in ice-cream is a little bit odd, but it's much better than putting them in beer... — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC))
2. Support Delicious! DAVilla 20:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC) Abstain On the other hand, all those little seeds are a little annoying. DAVilla 22:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

1. Support — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC) (Ah, multi-cultural ice-cream! Connel MacKenzie, I think this qualifies as obscure and peculiar :-)
   For an incomplete explanation of it, see w:Faloodeh (that explains it as a different style, but it is also possible to make falude-flavoured ice-cream). — Beobach972 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC))
2. Abstain Haven't tried it. From the ingredients, it sounds really good though. DAVilla 22:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

This vote is now closed. DAVilla 00:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary's unofficial favorite flavor of ice cream is Natural strawberry with 5 in favor, 1 opposed, and 6 abstaining. The runners up were Chocolate chip and Hazelnut, each with 2 in favor, none opposed, and 10 abstaining. DAVilla 00:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Erm, no. Wiktionary's "official" ice cream doesn't exist; the result of the vote is "no consensus." --Connel MacKenzie 16:02, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

In this case, yes, I think no consensus is the result. If this were an issue for which we absolutely had to pick a course of action, I think Natural Strawberry would be the chosen option, because it had the most support there was very little explicit opposition to it. — Beobach972 05:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Could either of you please explain that numerically? The majority criterion for this vote was not established, so I assumed that the vote tally had to be greater than zero, which it was. But that's probably the most minimal consensus criterion there is. I wouldn't necessarily disagree that there isn't concensus, I just don't want to have to depend on subjective opinions on real votes. DAVilla 19:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. If this had been an official vote, the period would have automatically been extended to August 13th (one month past the last time an option was added) right? --16:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah... that's probably true... which could make voting quite confusing, and never-ending, if we don't somehow cap it. — Beobach972 05:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but it would be best, in my opinion, to have all options existing before the vote starts, or perhaps in an early phase where both could occur, but not within the final 30 or however many days of the vote. DAVilla 19:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

So, it should have been entered as a tentative vote, then given a month or two to accumulate other options? I think a lot can be said for using this style as an option-gathering phase. --Connel MacKenzie 20:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see that cookie dough had been added. Mmmm, cookie dough. bd2412 T 22:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

• I think is it worth noting how skewed the "result" was; can we conclude that all en.wiktionary votes are so under-representative that none should be considered "binding" or permanent? None are permanent; they are simply fixed in place until a overriding vote comes along, that represents the (ever-changing) community opinion du jour. --Connel MacKenzie 20:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)