Wiktionary:Votes/2012-04/Languages with limited documentation

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Languages with limited online documentation

  • Voting on: Three changes on the the criteria for inclusion page and the creation of one sub-page to address the difficulties in finding adequate source material to attest languages with limited documentation available online. Also, minor changes of "usage" to "use" for consistency and deletion of one instance of the word "or."

At Wiktionary:CFI#Attestation, replacement of (changes are shown in boldface):

  1. Clearly widespread use, or
  2. Usage in a well-known work, or
  3. Usage in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year, or
  4. For terms in extinct languages: usage in at least one contemporaneous source.

with

  1. clearly widespread use,
  2. use in a well-known work, or
  3. use in permanently recorded media, conveying meaning, in at least three independent instances spanning at least a year (different requirements apply for certain languages).

Below that section, between the subsections "Conveying meaning" and "Independent," insertion of the following section (blue text indicates a hyperlink to be added):

Number of citations

In general, three citations in which a term is used are the minimum number for inclusion in Wiktionary. For terms in extinct languages, one use in a contemporaneous source is the minimum. For languages with limited online documentation, only one use or mention is adequate, subject to the following requirements:

  • the language community should maintain a list of materials deemed appropriate as the sole source for entries based on a single mention,
  • each entry should have its source(s) listed on the entry or citation page, and
  • a box explaining that a low number of citations were used should be included on the entry page (such as by using the {{ldl}} template).

In the "Natural Languages" section on the CFI page, the addition of the following section (hyperlinked from the section above):

Languages with limited online documentation

The following are considered to be languages with limited online documentation:

  1. endangered languages - languages in danger of becoming extinct such as those listed by an institution such as UNESCO (Interactive Atlas of the World’s Languages in Danger) or the Living Tongues Institute for Endangered Languages, and dialects of those languages,
  2. pidgins and creoles, and
  3. other languages with limited online documentation.
Languages falling under these categories may nevertheless be excluded by general consensus if judged as having adequate appropriate durably archived sources online. When considering exclusion, consideration of how to handle existing entries should be taken into account.

The creation of a page at Wiktionary:CFI/Languages with limited online documentation with the following text (hyperlinked from "other languages with limited online documentation" above and the blue text "languages with limited online documentation" below hyperlinked back to the added section above):

Other languages with limited online documentation

The following are considered to be other languages with limited online documentation as provided on the Criteria for inclusion page (living languages unless specified otherwise):

  1. languages of the Americas (including the Caribbean), Australia and Oceania (excluding European languages having an official national status in Europe,* and Tagalog);
  2. languages of Europe not having an official national status, including the extinct language Dacian (excluding Basque and Scots);
  3. the North Caucasian languages; the Kartvelian languages (excluding Georgian); Kven Finnish; and Meänkieli;
  4. the following languages of Africa: Amharic, Khoisan languages, Wide Grassfields languages, and Zarma;
  5. the Andamanese languages; the Dravidian languages (excluding Kannada, Malayalam, Tamil and Telugu); Assamese; Kokborok; Lepcha; Maldivian; Meitei; Mizo; and Sinhalese;
  6. Äynu, Shaozhou Tuhua and the Tibetan languages; and
  7. the Formosan languages and languages of Southeast Asia (excluding Cantonese, Indonesian, Malay, Standard Mandarin, Thai (tha) and Vietnamese).
* Thus, while Dutch is the official language of Suriname, because Dutch is a European language with official national status in the Netherlands, it does not qualify. This applies similarly to languages such as English, French, German, Norwegian, Portuguese and Spanish.

This page may be modified through general consensus. To make a request to add or exclude a language, go to the Beer Parlour and click the "+" tab at top to input your request.


Examples of relevant languages and words

Use in extinct languages would not be affected. The following endangered languages would be allowed under this proposal. Items 1 and 2 are courtesy of Metaknowledge, item 3 is courtesy of Ungoliant, and item 4 is courtesy of Xavier Barker:

  1. Krio: famble
    • 1995, Masée Touré, Bai Bureh's Countrymen‎ (overall work in English), →ISBN Invalid ISBN, page 12:
      Pa Gasama spoke in Krio, a language that was common to all; 'Famble den who na kushe oh'.
  2. Bislama: ovaspen
    • 2008, Miriam Meyerhoff, Social lives in language--sociolinguistics and multilingual speech‎ (overall work in English), →ISBN, page 344:
      Bang i wantem mi faen from mi ovaspen.
      (please add an English translation of this quotation)
  3. Category:Hunsrik nouns
  4. Nauru Pacific Pidgin - a language in Nauru with about 8000 people documented in only one source
  5. Lushootseed: ʔux̌áx̌ƛʼil
    • 1996 — ed. by Crisca Bierwert, Lushootseed Texts, pp. 124-125: not on Google at all or in the Lushootseed Dictionary by Dawn Bates, Thom Hess and Vi Hilbert
      ʔux̌áx̌ƛʼil - They screeched.
  6. Ditidaht: t’abuuk’ʷ
    • 1987 — Allis Pakki Chipps-Sawyer, Standing on the Edge of Yesterday: A Dilemma of Oral Knowledge Survival in a West Coast Family ], p. 106 (PDF page 118): not on Google at all even though the PDF is on the Internet
      t’abuuk’ʷ - Kingfisher
  7. Makah: ƛ̓ikatšiƛ
    • 2002, Matthew Davidson, Studies in Southern Wakashan (Nootkan) Grammar, page 430
      ƛ̓ikatšiƛ - start walking


The following languages are not endangered but have limited written documentation. Items 1 to 3 are courtesy of Metaknowledge and item 4 is courtesy of Christopher Weedall:

  1. Fiji Hindi: Μετάknowledge notes that the terms for Fiji Hindi already on Wiktionary would not likely pass the CFI
  2. Tok Pisin: kaukau
    • 1995, John Verhaar, Toward a reference grammar of Tok Pisin: an experiment in corpus linguistics‎ (overall work in English), →ISBN, page 433:
      Mekim olsem pinis, orait tupela i planim taro na banana, na kumu, painap, kon, tomato, na kaukau tu.
      (please add an English translation of this quotation)
  3. Pijin: sios
    • 1988, Geoffrey Miles White, Bikfala faet: olketa Solomon Aelanda rimembarem Wol Wo Tu‎, page 75:
      Bihaen hemi finisim skul blong hem, hemi go minista long sios long ples blong hem long 'Areo.
      (please add an English translation of this quotation)
  4. Zarma - a thesis on Zarma is expected in the near future by Christopher Weedall
  • Vote starts: 00:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Support

  1. Support BB12 (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  2. Support --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 01:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  3. Support. Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV 02:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  4. Support. Jcwf 02:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  5. Support -Atelaes λάλει ἐμοί 03:57, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  6. Support --Vahag (talk) 10:55, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
  7. Support --Anatoli (обсудить) 01:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
  8. Support —Stephen (Talk) 11:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
    Support Istafe (talk) 14:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
  9. Support.​—msh210℠ (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Oppose Dan Polansky (talk) 19:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Oppose Istafe (talk) 11:46, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

  1. You realize you can't vote twice, right? You need to choose one, support or oppose. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 15:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Abstain

  1. Abstain Probably a good proposal, but: tl;dr. -- Liliana • 13:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Decision

Vote passes 9-1-1. I will modify CFI accordingly. Please note that I have stricken both of Istafe's votes, as it is not allowed to vote twice. In any case, his/her vote did not affect the outcome. --Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:15, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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