Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Remove "The essentials"

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Remove "The essentials"

Voting on:

Removing this text from WT:EL:

The essentials
  1. Language lets you know the language of the word in question. It is always in a level two heading (See Wiktionary:How to edit a page for some basic terminology we use). In most cases the language header contains a language in its traditional meaning. Priority is given to ==Translingual==; this heading includes terms that remain the same in all languages. The symbols for the chemical elements and the abbreviations for international units of measurement are but two examples of translingual terms. English comes next because this is the English Wiktionary. After that come the other languages in alphabetical order.
  2. Part of speech may be a misnomer, but it seemed to make sense when it was first chosen. Most part-of-speech headings represent the lexical function of the term, such as Noun, Verb, Adjective, or Interjection. Others, such as Symbol, Suffix, Initialism, Phrase, or Proverb, classify the various terms in Wiktionary. Each entry has one or more part of speech sections, where the definitions themselves are found. The sections are most frequently level three, but may have a lower level for terms that have multiple etymologies or pronunciations.
  3. References are becoming more important as we strive to improve the reliability of Wiktionary. While we may be lax in demanding references for words that are easily found in most paper dictionaries, references for more obscure words are essential. References may be added in a separate header of adequately chosen level or added directly to specific senses.
References
  1. ^ Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2012-04/Editing the "part of speech" paragraph in ELE

Rationale:

  • That section to be deleted reads like a complete guide about "Language", "Part of speech" and "References", but it is too short and sometimes misleading, as said below. WT:EL already has three separate, more comprehensive and up-to-date sections for these items: WT:EL#Language, WT:EL#Part of speech and WT:EL#References, which were completely created/revised by vote through the last year and a half: Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Language, Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2015-12/Part of speech and Wiktionary:Votes/2016-12/"References" and "External sources". (Only "Ideophone" was recently added in the POS list without a vote.)
  • This statement is false, because for definitions, we use the attestation process, not references: "While we may be lax in demanding references for words that are easily found in most paper dictionaries, references for more obscure words are essential."
  • This statement is false, because we don't add references directly in the senses (apart from sometimes adding footnote links in the senses): "References may be added in a separate header of adequately chosen level or added directly to specific senses."

Schedule:

  • Vote starts: 00:00, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Vote ends: 23:59, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Discussion:

Support

  1. Support --Daniel Carrero (talk) 19:09, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
    • A minor comment, for the record: in July 2016, (see diff) I fixed a glaring error in that section without a vote. It said that the language section "is almost always in a level two heading"; I removed the word "almost". This edit was suggested by Wonderfool in User talk:Daniel Carrero/2016#Grammar in WT:EL. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:49, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
    • Additional rationale point not mentioned before: It's not clear why the supposed list of "Essentials" is comprised of specifically "Language", "Part of speech" and "References". If I were making a list of essential things for an entry, I'd mention the definitions themselves in it. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 06:13, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
  2. Support. Poorly written to begin with, and now merely cruft. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 02:35, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
  3. Support --Dan Polansky (talk) Per the rationale on this vote page above: The part is incorrect and unnecessary.

    Outside of scope of this vote but on a related note, the section WT:EL#A very simple example contains the following, which should IMHO be removed in another vote:

    ===References===
    * ''The Oxford Paperback Dictionary''
    The items 6 and 7 from the numbered list immediately above should be removed as well.
    --Dan Polansky (talk) 09:50, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
  4. Support — I.S.M.E.T.A. 22:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
  5. Support Andrew Sheedy (talk) 05:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
  6. Support -Xbony2 (talk) 00:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
  7. Support —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 18:56, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Oppose

Abstain

Decision

Passed. Edited WT:EL accordingly. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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