Wiktionary talk:Votes/2016-10/Unified Malay Revote

@Mar vin kaiser I hope this vote can go ahead. I would fully support it - it's quite difficult to work on Malay and Indonesian without the merger. Wyang (talk) 23:40, 4 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

How can we prevent it from failing again, like last time? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 23:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

It may fail again for the lack of native (or advanced-level) speakers or dedicated editors. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:47, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

True, Unified Chinese was a lot of work and had a lot more editors working on it. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 00:57, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

It's not even clear what they are going to clear what to call it. There is no word similar existing Serbo-Croatian, Chinese, Norwegian, Arabic or even Hindustani. What do we merge it as? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 01:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

The infobox at Wikipedia seems to designate Indonesian as a child of Malay, for what it's worth. —suzukaze (t・c) 01:48, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

It would simply be "Malay". Wikipedia, Malay language: " has an official status in Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Singapore"; "Malay" is an umbrella term for Malaysian Malay, Indonesian Malay and Brunei Malay. This is the practice adopted in the authoritative dictionary of Malay, Kamus Dewan (“The Institute Dictionary”; online version), as well as many other comprehensive Malay dictionaries (such as Kamus Kembangan). Regional terms (Indonesian, Bruneian, etc.) are marked by context tags (Id./印, etc.) in Malay dictionaries. Wyang (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

"Malay" is fine then. It would be beneficial to demonstrate how entries from different varieties are going to look. Note that the Indonesian Wiktionary is much better developed. Perhaps interwikis should consider this. All {{t+}} will fail now. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 04:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

gadis would be an example of how it would look, with only a Malay heading and no Indonesian heading. Indonesian-specific sense is incorporated as {{lb|ms|Indonesia}}, which categorises it into Category:Indonesian Malay (there are some entries using this format). This way there is no need to repeat the rest of the content, which is shared between Malaysian and Indonesian Malay. I'm not sure the utility of the interwiki translation links is considerable (alternatively a link to the Indonesian Wikipedia can be added alongside), and interwiki links on the entries shouldn't change. On the entries, the Malay terms can have a {{ms-wp}} template to link to various Wikipedias, similar to how {{zh-wp}} is used on 象. Wyang (talk) 04:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Would you be willing to volunteer to do the merger? That's what I'm most concerned about, because it'll be a lot of work (e.g. if there's an Indonesian translation and no Malay translation, someone needs to check if it can simply be converted to Malay or if it needs a (Indonesia) tag and another translation). I don't know if there will be anyone else willing and able to do a significant portion of the work. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 05:27, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I'm happy to help out (to the best of my ability). Wyang (talk) 05:30, 5 March 2017 (UTC)Reply

Has this fallen by the wayside again? —suzukaze (t・c) 08:45, 1 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Pinging our new Malay and Indonesian editors: @TNMPChannel, PulauKakatua19, Heydari. This is a proposed vote on the merger of our current "Malay" and "Indonesian" into a single "Malay" on Wiktionary, since Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesian/Melayu are all different forms of the same language; cf. Malay language on Wikipedia. Your inputs would be greatly appreciated. Wyang (talk) 11:39, 2 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

:/ —suzukaze (t・c) 05:27, 16 December 2017 (UTC)Reply