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@Svartava: I suggest the following text to prevent the danger of deleting trans woman and keeping transwoman, the latter being widely proscribed for being offensive, and similar cases:
Unidiomatic terms made up of multiple words may be included if they are significantly more common than single-word spellings that meet criteria for inclusion. However, the former must be included if their single-word spellings aren't deemed acceptable, e.g. trans woman has to be included because transwoman is considered offensive.
Davi6596 (talk) 17:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Davi6596: Interesting point, however changing a running vote is generally not allowed. Are there more examples for this other than trans ones? – Svārtava (tɕ) 04:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Svartava: I don't know, but you can ask Whoop whoop pull up, who gave the trans ones. Davi6596 (talk) 16:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- I don't know of non-trans examples of this (although I strongly suspect that such exist); I do know, however, that trans examples of this definitively exist. (Hence why I brought up one of those particular examples.) Whoop whoop pull up ♀️ Bitching Betty 🏳️⚧️ Averted crashes ⚧️ 16:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Svartava: Is it allowed to suspend a vote so the proposal may be improved? Davi6596 (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Davi6596: In general, no. Except for a minor corrective change to Wiktionary:Votes/pl-2022-06/Attestation criteria for derogatory terms, I have not seen any proposal be changed midway in recent years. – Svārtava (tɕ) 13:55, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Svartava: I meant suspending (i.e. stopping) the vote, not changing the proposal. Here users would discuss ways to improve this proposal or alternatives to it.
Because the opposition to it is growing. Davi6596 (talk) 21:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Davi6596 That too; maybe the growing opposition means that there is no present desire to revoke the COALMINE rule from it's status as policy - but let's see how it goes on, since I thought many people are less satisfied with COALMINE (especially I saw a few comments on Discord too). – Svārtava (tɕ) 04:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Svartava, Davi6596: After this vote, I would recommend starting a new one to add the suggested text to COALMINE, to reinforce that the situation with e.g. trans woman / transwoman is more imperative than the typical COALMINE use case. Whoop whoop pull up ♀️ Bitching Betty 🏳️⚧️ Averted crashes ⚧️ 15:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Whoop whoop pull up: The wording would have to be different, something like this:
- Unidiomatic terms made up of multiple words are included if they are significantly more common than single-word spellings that meet criteria for inclusion, especially if the latter are derogatory, e.g. transwoman. Davi6596 (talk) 15:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- Voting on a topic soon after a previous vote ends is generally not well-received (e.g. the plus template votes), so a revote on this is highly unlikely to pass, and also, regardless of the correction, I don't think voters are inclined to decrease or remove the power of COALMINE. I would like to see some consistency between entries, so I would support the proposal Wiktionary:Beer parlour/2022/September#Including hyphenated prefixed words as single words which would allow all terms like non-Canadian, pro-Israel, etc. irrespective of COALMINE applying or not. – Svārtava (tɕ) 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Svartava: I agree with starting a vote on that proposal because it'd make CFI more consistent and be more likely to pass. Davi6596 (talk) 22:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Svartava I think you misunderstand - I was proposing strengthening COALMINE slightly, by reinforcing that the power to create entries for COAL MINE forms is especially strong when the corresponding COALMINE form is proscribed due to being derogatory/offensive. Whoop whoop pull up ♀️ Bitching Betty 🏳️⚧️ Averted crashes ⚧️ 16:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Whoop whoop pull up: But as this vote fails, COALMINE is already binding so there is no need of this change. Svārtava (tɕ) 16:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Svartava Binding in the sense that it explicitly prevents the deletion (...on SoP grounds, at least) of entries for COAL MINE forms, but it doesn't encourage their creation. My proposed addition would strengthen COALMINE so that it explicitly encourages the creation of entries for COAL MINE forms in cases where the corresponding COALMINE form is proscribed due to being derogatory/offensive. Whoop whoop pull up ♀️ Bitching Betty 🏳️⚧️ Averted crashes ⚧️ 16:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
- @Whoop whoop pull up: It's still redundant and I don't think at current situation that we have many proscribed closed forms without the corresponding open forms and generally if creating the proscribed closed form the creator will probably create the open form as well - I don't think that needs to be added to CFI. Svārtava (tɕ) 17:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply