論外

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Japanese

Kanji in this term
論 外
ろん
Grade: 6 		がい
Grade: 2
on'yomi

Etymology

/ronɡwai/ → /ronɡai/

Probably from Middle Chinese compound 論外 / 论外 (lwonH ngwajH, literally “discussion + outside”).

Alternately, may be a Japanese coinage from Middle Chinese-derived elements, as a compound of 論 (ron, “argument; theory”) +‎ 外 (gai, “outside”).

Pronunciation

Adjective

論(ろん)外(がい) • (rongai) ←ろんぐわい (rongwai)?-na (adnominal 論(ろん)外(がい)な (rongai na), adverbial 論(ろん)外(がい)に (rongai ni))

  1. irrelevant, beside the point, out of the question

Usage notes

Listed explicitly in some dictionaries[1][2][3] as a -na type adjective. Also used as a noun followed by particle の (no) to modify other nouns.[2][3]

Inflection

Inflection of 論外
Stem forms
Imperfective (未然形) 論外だろ ろんがいだろ rongai daro
Continuative (連用形) 論外で ろんがいで rongai de
Terminal (終止形) 論外だ ろんがいだ rongai da
Attributive (連体形) 論外な ろんがいな rongai na
Hypothetical (仮定形) 論外なら ろんがいなら rongai nara
Imperative (命令形) 論外であれ ろんがいであれ rongai de are
Key constructions
Informal negative 論外ではない
論外じゃない 		ろんがいではない
ろんがいじゃない 		rongai de wa nai
rongai ja nai
Informal past 論外だった ろんがいだった rongai datta
Informal negative past 論外ではなかった
論外じゃなかった 		ろんがいではなかった
ろんがいじゃなかった 		rongai de wa nakatta
rongai ja nakatta
Formal 論外です ろんがいです rongai desu
Formal negative 論外ではありません
論外じゃありません 		ろんがいではありません
ろんがいじゃありません 		rongai de wa arimasen
rongai ja arimasen
Formal past 論外でした ろんがいでした rongai deshita
Formal negative past 論外ではありませんでした
論外じゃありませんでした 		ろんがいではありませんでした
ろんがいじゃありませんでした 		rongai de wa arimasen deshita
rongai ja arimasen deshita
Conjunctive 論外で ろんがいで rongai de
Conditional 論外なら（ば） ろんがいなら（ば） rongai nara (ba)
Provisional 論外だったら ろんがいだったら rongai dattara
Volitional 論外だろう ろんがいだろう rongai darō
Adverbial 論外に ろんがいに rongai ni
Degree 論外さ ろんがいさ rongaisa

Noun

論(ろん)外(がい) • (rongai) ←ろんぐわい (rongwai)?

  1. something outside the scope of discussion, something that is off-topic
    論(ろん)外(がい)の意(い)見(けん)
    rongai no iken
    an opinion that is off-topic, an irrelevant opinion

References

  1. ↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 Matsumura, Akira, editor (2006), 大辞林 [Daijirin] (in Japanese), Third edition, Tokyo: Sanseidō, →ISBN
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 Matsumura, Akira (1995) 大辞泉 [Daijisen] (in Japanese), First edition, Tokyo: Shogakukan, →ISBN
  3. ↑ 3.0 3.1 Kindaichi, Kyōsuke et al., editors (1997), 新明解国語辞典 [Shin Meikai Kokugo Jiten] (in Japanese), Fifth edition, Tokyo: Sanseidō, →ISBN
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