Talk:model
It would be nice for the definition of model to make clear that the noun has three types of meanings. For example, I have used this definition for model, which clarifies its meaning for me.
1. Something set forward to be imitated
- An example for imitation or emulation
“My brother is a role model for my son”
- Person who serves as a subject for an artist or a fashion designer
- A Structural Design
“We have a good business model”
2. Something built to imitate reality in a simplified way
“Model Airplane, 1:32 scale”
Mathematical Model; Simulation
3. A type or design of a product
"The model of Saturn car I own is the Ion"
Adjective?
I propose to strike the whole adjective section. All the definitions follow from the general rule in English that one can put two nouns after another and the first becomes a characterisation of the other: a model student is a student who is/can be seen as a model, a model airplane is an airplane which is a model, a model home is a home which serves as a model. henne 20:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Other dictionaries seem to disagree. That is, it stands as an adjective on its own. --Connel MacKenzie 20:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, no prob. It’s just that the fact that it is in both Dutch and Finnish translated as the noun model with a dash, seems to indicate it is a regular compound word. henne 21:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Prepositions
The following quotations show the prepositions used with the word "to model".
- All free assemblies modeled after the British Parliament and American Congress.
- Their future conduct was modeled on their conduct in the past.
--Dan Polansky 12:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Deletion debate
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I don't think this is a true adjective in any of the three senses shown. Also, it can be used attributively in any of the noun senses, which illustrates one way the adjective PoS is pernicious. Should the adjective translations be shown as separate trans-tops interleaved with the noun senses? DCDuring TALK 17:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah you could see it either way. The OED used to consider it just a noun, but since they revised the entry (June this year) they now have a separate adjective section; however even this is labelled "adj. (chiefly attrib.)". A couple of their quotes are suggestive (eg "so model a youth"). Ƿidsiþ 19:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- I woulda/coulda/shoulda RfVed it to get citations, but I thought it might be an easily resolved question. Apparently not. We should get attestation as adjective for each adjective sense. I suppose once once sense becomes truly adjectival, others will follow over the years. Do you think that the existing trans tables should be kept separate under the noun PoS, adding "{attributive)" to the transtable gloss? DCDuring TALK 00:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
- RfV initiated, 3 senses. DCDuring TALK 14:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- I woulda/coulda/shoulda RfVed it to get citations, but I thought it might be an easily resolved question. Apparently not. We should get attestation as adjective for each adjective sense. I suppose once once sense becomes truly adjectival, others will follow over the years. Do you think that the existing trans tables should be kept separate under the noun PoS, adding "{attributive)" to the transtable gloss? DCDuring TALK 00:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Closed, striking. Mglovesfun (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
RFV
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Rfv-sense X 3: All senses. I don't believe that any of these meet the tests of true adjectivity (See Wiktionary:English adjectives.) From RfD. DCDuring TALK 14:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- There seem to be enough Google Book hits for "become model" that aren't attributive use to suggest that at least one adjectival definition is justified. I say justified rather than needed. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Webster's provides these adjectival senses, although it combines (1) and (2) into a single definition. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/model%5B3%5D) — This comment was unsigned.
- Two senses RFV-failed, one sense cited. - -sche (discuss) 02:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Now well cited. - -sche (discuss) 18:37, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Hyphenation
The article suggests hyphenation according to mo-del, whereas Oxford and Webster dictionaries seem to prefer mod-el. 2001:638:504:C07C:A55D:66BA:8BCF:20B6 13:18, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
RFV discussion: January–February 2020
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"(manufacturing) An identifier of a product given by its manufacturer (also called model number)." I think this is redundant to the other sense "a style, type, or design. He decided to buy the turbo engine model of the sports car. / This year's model features four doors instead of two." If I say "the model I want is the A999" then yes, I am giving a number, but I am not saying that I actually want to buy a number: I want to buy the thing it represents. Equinox ◑ 19:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- On an online forum I see the question “Which model is it?”, with sentences like, “One camera is not working properly and I think it is the FI8905W but I am not sure..” Presumably the creator had this use in mind. I think though that also here the term model is a synonym of make rather than model number. In this case the product is a camera, but for a toy station wagon the answer to the question might be, ‘It's a Brekina brand Opel Rekord Olympia "CarAVan"’, which is not a model number but also identifies the make. --Lambiam 21:16, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well, when talking about cars or wines you could likewise ask "what year is it?" but we do not have a sense at year saying "a thing produced in a certain year". Equinox ◑ 18:59, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
RFV-failed Kiwima (talk) 21:03, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
RFV discussion: June 2018–April 2020
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Spanish for "model (person)", from English. Ultimateria (talk) 13:17, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
- The query "es un model" yields a lot of Spanish Google Groups results, fwiw. Someone'd have to take a closer look to verify if it refers to the sense we have now or to something else. — Mnemosientje (t · c) 15:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- @Mnemosientje, Ultimateria Google matches for "es un model" are either Catalan or about a proper noun. I have never heard "model" in Spanish, maybe in Latin American as code switching but I cannot find any evidence. --Vriullop (talk) 14:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- RFV-deleted, it has stayed uncited for this long with seemingly little evidence for it existing. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 23:56, 18 April 2020 (UTC)