Talk:nominative case

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nominative case

See -- Liliana 02:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

Delete along with similar "X case" cases. As I said there, they seem clear SoPs at least in English, where case has its grammatical sense and the preceding term (lative, antessive) is typically technical and grammar-specific; and the only defence is that translations might be useful. Equinox 02:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Even that defense is easily bypassed; the translations can go to nominative (accusative, dative and so on) as they're commonly used without the word 'case'. I'd say these are analogous to computer mouse where the computer is only added to avoid ambiguity, and most of the time it isn't ambiguous. Delete. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:12, 6 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
I see no analogy between "nominative case" and "computer mouse" at all. While "mouse" is used alone to refer to the pointing device, "case" is never used alone to refer to a particular grammatical case with the assumption that the choice of the particular case is made using the context. --Dan Polansky 10:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
I don't see how "nominative case" can be considered SoP. A "nominative noun" is merely a noun that is nominative; however, the nominative case is the abstract set of word endings that signify use as a subject, subject complement, or modifier of such a word. It is not merely a case that is nominative. Note also that our definition of nominative as an adjective doesn't come anywhere near the relevant meaning that could make this SoP. --EncycloPetey 00:03, 11 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Sure, delete.​—msh210 (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Strong keep. What is wrong with it? In case a consensus is not reached. To you people eager to delete important entries - will someone take responsibility for translations and make sure they are merged nicely in nominative and ALL the other grammar cases? Before this is done, all the entries should be kept. These are very important grammatical terms! What's next? subjunctive mood, past tense? --Anatoli (обсудить) 22:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
I already did nominative, genitive, accusative, partitive and inessive. Will not do more before this discussion has been solved.
  • Keep per my arguments in Talk:free variable. In short, the definition of the adjective "nominative" that would make this term a semantic sum of parts is specific to grammatical cases, and "nominative case" is very often written together, much more commonly than the adjective "nominative" is used in a predicative position. An example of a term with this property that is much better known than "free variable" is "prime number". --Dan Polansky 08:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Nominative is also a noun meaning "nominative case". So are all X's in combinations "X case". Does that make any difference? --Hekaheka 10:30, 9 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Do you analyse "nominative case" as "nominative" (noun) + "case" (noun)? I do not; I analyse "nominative case" as "nominative" (adjective) + "case" (noun). From how it appears to me, "nominative" (noun) is a shortening of "nominative case", possibly modeled on Latin, but I do not really know. Ditto for "subjunctive mood" and "subjunctive" (noun). --Dan Polansky 10:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC)Reply
Your analysis is correct. The noun sense derives from a shortening of the phrase "X case". --EncycloPetey 23:56, 10 December 2011 (UTC)Reply

Kept. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 03:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

For keeping: Anatoli, Dan Polansky, EncycloPetey, CodeCat, bd2412, 82.139.87.39; for deletion: Liliana, Mglovesfun, msh210, Angr. --Dan Polansky 11:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)Reply