Template talk:en-irregular plural of
Does a way exist to render this entry to auto‐categorise for other languages besides English ? --Æ&Œ (talk) 21:27, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
- The template doesn't support that currently, but one of our template experts should be able to re-implement it to take a language parameter like with many other templates. Maybe ask in the Grease pit? — hippietrail (talk) 08:43, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Add a parameter to subcategorize?
Can an "ending=" parameter be added, so that if, for example, an editor were to add "ending=i", the term would be put in Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-i", rather than in Category:English irregular plurals? The complete list of categories that would need to be programmed is:
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-ae"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-ces"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-des"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-e"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-es"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-ges"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-i"
- Category:English irregular plurals ending in "-ves"
Cheers! bd2412 T 03:35, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps the parameter should be called
|id=(a parameter we also use with the{{affix}}family of templates for subcategorization), since we have the subcategory “Category:English plurals with umlaut”. — SGconlaw (talk) 04:34, 15 March 2021 (UTC)- I'm not picky about it, but I prefer template calls to be somewhat intuitive. bd2412 T 22:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Erutuon: are you able to assist? — SGconlaw (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Sgconlaw, BD2412: Done. I wonder if the process could be automated. It would be easy to implement if when there are endings with a common suffix, like -ae and -e, the longest suffix would be chosen. — Eru·tuon 03:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- In theory, but there are some cases where a manual override would still be preferable. bd2412 T 03:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Erutuon: great, thanks! — SGconlaw (talk) 04:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Erutuon: by the way, does
|id=umlautwork? — SGconlaw (talk) 04:09, 17 April 2021 (UTC)- @Sgconlaw: No... not sure it's necessary since there are so few umlauted plurals. — Eru·tuon 05:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have noticed that some plurals use æ rather than ae, but categorization of these was inconsistent, so I eliminated separate categorization for all of them. bd2412 T 06:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Erutuon: that might be so, but doesn't it mean that plurals with umlaut will then end up in two categories, the parent category and "English plurals with umlaut"? Just wondering how to eliminate that issue. @BD2412: yes, I think plurals ending with -ae and -æ should be put into the same subcategory. The suffixes are just typographical variants of each other. — SGconlaw (talk) 08:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Sgconlaw: Oh yeah, that's a good reason. Implemented with an
|umlaut=1parameter.|id=umlautdidn't make sense to me because there isn't a{{senseid|en|umlaut}}in an entry as there should be when one uses{{affix|en|...|id1=umlaut}}. — Eru·tuon 19:00, 17 April 2021 (UTC)- Thanks, @Erutuon! Now to prepare some documentation … — SGconlaw (talk) 19:15, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Sgconlaw: Oh yeah, that's a good reason. Implemented with an
- @Erutuon: that might be so, but doesn't it mean that plurals with umlaut will then end up in two categories, the parent category and "English plurals with umlaut"? Just wondering how to eliminate that issue. @BD2412: yes, I think plurals ending with -ae and -æ should be put into the same subcategory. The suffixes are just typographical variants of each other. — SGconlaw (talk) 08:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- I have noticed that some plurals use æ rather than ae, but categorization of these was inconsistent, so I eliminated separate categorization for all of them. bd2412 T 06:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Sgconlaw: No... not sure it's necessary since there are so few umlauted plurals. — Eru·tuon 05:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- In theory, but there are some cases where a manual override would still be preferable. bd2412 T 03:46, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Sgconlaw, BD2412: Done. I wonder if the process could be automated. It would be easy to implement if when there are endings with a common suffix, like -ae and -e, the longest suffix would be chosen. — Eru·tuon 03:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Erutuon: are you able to assist? — SGconlaw (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not picky about it, but I prefer template calls to be somewhat intuitive. bd2412 T 22:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
RFD discussion: July 2023
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This displays exactly like {{plural of}} but takes two additional (undocumented but critically important) parameters |umlaut= and |ending= to respectively place the page in CAT:English plurals with umlaut and CAT:English irregular plurals ending in "-ENDING". If neither is supplied, the page goes into Category:English irregular plurals. I believe this is largely automatable (especially the CAT:English irregular plurals ending in "-ENDING" plurals, but probably most of the umlaut plurals as well) by checking the ending of the plural vs. that of the singular, and to the extent it's not, we can just manually add the categories using {{cln|en|...}} rather than having a special template. Benwing2 (talk) 06:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
- I have obsoleted this in favor of auto-categorization, except in the case of umlaut plurals, which use
{{en-umlaut plural of}}. Benwing2 (talk) 20:53, 11 July 2023 (UTC)- Now
{{en-umlaut plural of}}is also handled automatically. Benwing2 (talk) 21:39, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Now