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Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

What’s the purpose of the “..?” entries? Yes, I have seen the deletion request, but if this template is to stay, “..?” should be explained. -- wikimpan (Talk) 09:17, 29 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Wikimpan i just meant that possibly there are more words for "red" and "yellow" but i can't rely on red links ().—Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 20:23, 29 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

RFD discussion: March 2018–February 2020

Latest comment: 5 years ago10 comments7 people in discussion

The following information has failed Wiktionary's deletion process (permalink).

It should not be re-entered without careful consideration.

This strikes me as a misuse of this template series. Unlike modern languages the color templates were mainly created for, Proto-Indo-European is unattested and there's no direct evidence as to which colors were called by which name. When you have different branches of Indo-European using descendants of the same PIE word for completely different colors (compare English blue and Latin flavus (“yellow, golden”), for instance), any color terminology reconstructed tends to be rather vague. By contrast, this template shows precise colors, with the visual message of certainty overriding any caveats/weasel wording that may be in the text. If this is kept, it will need to be cleaned up. I sincerely doubt there will ever be a name reconstructed for magenta, cyan, or mint green, so they shouldn't be displayed. Even when there are descendants, we should remove uncertain/vague ones like the aforementioned blue/flavus ancestor (if it was even truly a color name in PIE) and stick to a few relatively solid identifications like white, black, red, and possibly brown. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)Reply

Delete. I agree, this template should not be applied to protolanguages. —Μετάknowledgediscuss/deeds 17:40, 19 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Mh, while this one seems too speculative, I'm not sure I'd want to delete Template:table:colors/sla-pro, if only because it's pretty complete. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 11:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Nevermind, Vorziblix has convinced me that that Proto-Slavic template should be done away with as well. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 22:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Keep, because ] is not empty. —Игорь Тълкачь (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Delete. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 22:05, 21 March 2018 (UTC)Reply
Delete per nom: 'When you have different branches of Indo-European using descendants of the same PIE word for completely different colors (compare English blue and Latin flavus (“yellow, golden”), for instance), any color terminology reconstructed tends to be rather vague.' --Dan Polansky (talk) 08:17, 29 April 2018 (UTC)Reply
Keep, Template:table:colors/egy also uses a different template, maybe we can take this as a reference to reorganize the PIE template?--AngeCI (talk) 02:10, 4 March 2019 (UTC)Reply


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