User talk:Cem BSEE

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Cem, First, I really do appreciate what you're doing here. I'm an ME, myself, and it seems like quite a lot of the engineering terms are inaccessible to the general public and to translators. To that end, I hope we can both help to keep definitions of technical terms accurate and (as much as possible) accessible to the layperson.

I would ask you to take another look at your edit for inductance, though. The purpose of the # in the Wiktionary is to differentiate between distinct senses. Thus, board might be defined as

1. A piece of wood cut into a shape.
2. A committee.

What you've done to the second definition of inductance makes it no longer a definition but a stray fact. I believe the reason for the second definition is to distinguish between the sense of the property itself and the sense of the amount of that property (an amount that the SI system happens to measure in henries). You're correct that the word "current" was not accurate. Perhaps the second definition should run something like "The quantity of this property, measured in henries in the SI system." What do you think? --Dvortygirl 00:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

One more thing while I'm bugging you. Are you the same as Koralcem of wikiHow? --Dvortygirl 00:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

from CEM_BSEE -- I am a Purdue Graduate of 1959 -- in about 1978 I edited a "power Cable Dictionary" while working at Anaconda Wire & Cable in the R&D Dept-- ~1500 terms -- AWC printed it, I drew my normal salary -- I also edited "Cable Installation Manual" which has been the guideline for installations in nuclear power plants -- I helped write the 1974 NEC, worked with UL, in fact, had a job offer from them in 1983.

I intend to add several terms, correct or expand others -- abet without all the frills -- I think that having the definitions is important.

Since I am 73y/o, I think it to be important for Wiktionary to pick my brain -- ?? I am also strong in manufacturing plant engineering of buildings | facilities | equipment installation. I have some 2970+ posts at HVAC-TALK.com.

No, I know nothing of the person using the "name" you recited. I usually use my initials or name while on the web -- especially at good sites.

BTW, I have no idea as to how to get to your "Talk" site | page -- Can everyone read this page? If not, I can | will give my eaddr.

Perhaps I should explain. The other fellow called Cem (on the other wiki) is also an electrical engineer, though I gather he's at the other end of his career. It was enough of a coincidence that I thought I'd at least ask.

Every user has a talk page, and yes, everybody can read everybody else's (most of the usual discussion about "is this really a verb?" isn't all that private). If you go to my user page and click the discussion tab, for instance, you'll be on my talk page. If you leave a message for me there, it puts up an orange "new messages" box to remind me the next time I log in.

Please feel free to ask questions there, and I'll be glad to point you in the right direction, or tell you who can. I'm sure my couple of obligatory circuits classes don't compare to your experience, but I know the ins and outs of Wiktionary pretty well.

You have a user page, too, where you're welcome to put a bio, a greeting to the world, links to references or pages that interest you, or just about anything else you choose, within reason.

You might also like to say hi to SemperBlotto. He's a retired industrial chemist and computer sort, and a long-time Wiktionary contributor and administrator. He can answer questions, too, and he'll probably be glad to know he's not the only one here to have earned some gray hair.

Finally, there's no need to give anybody here your email address, unless you want to chat outside the project. If you look in the left-hand column from anybody's user or user_talk page, you'll see a link "Email this user". That link works only if you activated it (you did) and nobody using it gets your email address unless you reply to them. Send a test note to yourself, if you'd like to see how it works.

Thanks for sharing your expertise with the world. --Dvortygirl 01:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

This is the outline of a basic entry:

==English==

===Noun=== (or Verb, Adjective, etc.. depending on the word)
'''The Word Here'''

# The definition here.

Thanks! --Versageek 03:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Replacing definitions with others specific to one field, or other variations of that, is no good. In some case you would do much better to simply refer to wikipedia (add {{wikipedia}}). You have removed a number of useful defintions, and we can't have that. Robert Ullmann 19:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

so, you, RU, would have the specific instance of derating with reference to electrical, rather to applying this to more fields? or, in addition to the elec? And, I have strived to apply the same reasoning to others. Please recite any others you feel are not factual. Cem BSEE 19:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

read my discussion at derate Cem BSEE 20:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

You do note that many of our entries have more than one sense line? (Yes, I know you know that; you have added additional definitions in some cases.) So leave the common sense at derate alone, especially if you are not familiar with it and add the precise engineering meaning. Robert Ullmann

Noun phrase is not a header. And you've seen the format often enough, and see WT:ELE Robert Ullmann 19:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Every single entry or change you make has to be corrected or removed. Please understand that this is a general dictionary, not a dictionary of EE (which it certainly includes). Converting definitions to EE specific senses is damage. Please learn this! At this point we are going to have to take a lot of time fixing these entries. Robert Ullmann 19:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Noun phrase seemed to be a header used before me -- sorry.

I have tried to add words which I thought many others might need, not just for EEs. Once again, it was & is my intent to me that most of my changes have been made to make a definition apply to many fields or broader=eg: dew point seemed to suggest that it only applied to air; derate seemed to suggest that it only applied to electric apparatus.

That is what you are not getting: 99.9% of the time, to 99.9% of the people, dew point applies to air, and dew on the ground; it is the common meaning of the word. Adding the "general" definition is fine; deleting the usual sense is vandalism.

I suggest that you, RU, check many other scientific resources. I do not see anything that indicates that you have a technical background. Cem BSEE 20:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

That kind of personal attack will get you blocked in a heartbeat. You are now warned. (FYI: I was doing VLSI design in 1972. And several other things over decades. I may very well know a damn sight more than you, but you don't know, do you?)

This is not a dictionary specific to electrical engineering Get that? Robert Ullmann 20:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I did not realize that this was a dictionary only for the "masses". It seems to me that any words should be included, providing that they are in good taste. So, you will just delete my entries, rather than discuss specific issues? Cem BSEE 21:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply

Are you intentionally being obtuse? I said it is not only for EE. It is a general dictionary, including EE. Once again: there isn't any problem with adding the EE definitions, as long as you don't replace (or "generalize") the common meanings. There is little to discuss: your definitions (as you and I both know) are fine for the field, they should be added as specific to the field. Robert Ullmann 21:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Reply