User talk:Jon Harald Søby/Archive/2

At beer parlor you used the message "exi<span style="display:none;">prevent googling</span>cornt". I'm just curious why you bothered? JillianE 17:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Because I don't want exiprevent googlingcornt to get googled, as it's not a real word, and thus shouldn't appear anywhere (on google). Jon Harald Søby 08:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Why did you add those links to "ounce metal"? --Primetime 15:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Because that it is the normal way of doing it. You shouldn't try changing standards by adding new ones, but instead discuss the old ones, and if you can convince others that your way is better, that's they way it'll be. If you aren't able to convince people about it, then don't add it anyways. Jon Harald Søby 15:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

About Ascendancy. I did that because I linked to it in ascendance. Should I then always create pipe links when the first (capitalized) word of a sentence is linked? Cheers. Vildricianus 20:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

There are a lot of case-sensitive redirects to lower-case version, because pages were moved from capital initials to small initials some time in the summer of 2005; nowadays, pages with capital initial letters are reserved for Proper Nouns (e.g. Norway) or Adjectives (Norwegian). A lot of us think that there should be no redirects in Wiktionary at all, as they only create confusion. Jon Harald Søby 20:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

I knew that, but I thought they could be created occassionally, even though they are reduntant. Furthermore, I quote Connel: "We retain redirects for capitalization problems (especially from other WikiMedia sites, also for other external sites) that link using the original capitalized link. The redirects hurt nothing, but deleting them means that users are present with blank "Edit this page" pages. That in turn causes duplicate entries." (from Requests for deletion). (I agree that few other sites will link to "ascendancy", but at least here's what I was thinking). I'll keep it in mind from now on. Vildricianus 20:58, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

I did a test on my en.wp user page, here, and minuscle links work across projects… Perhaps that is an old bug that has been fixed? Jon Harald Søby 10:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Did I hear my name?  :-) Jon, the problem is if you link ] from Wikipedia, you are no longer taken to ascendancy as intended. The bug most certainly has not been fixed. That's the main reason why we retain capitalization redirects. Please restore that entry. --Connel MacKenzie T C 10:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

(fixed typos) Also, the entry at ascendance should use the pipe syntax, in general. --Connel MacKenzie T C 10:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Done. But anyone who has the slightest idea about Wiktionary's setup, would know not to link to Ascendancy. But then again, there's the {{PAGENAME}} thing, that automatically has the upper-case initial... That should be posted as a bug (or, rather, a request to make {{PAGENAMEM}} to add the pagename without mayuscule. Jon Harald Søby 10:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. The pagename is only uppercase sometimes based on some very arcane rules that I am not familiar with. Usually, here, the lower case letter is retained as lower case (depending on namespace, I think.) --Connel MacKenzie T C 10:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, but from Wikipedia everything is uppercase, as the titles of pages are. That makes w:Template:Wiktionary useless in its current state. Jon Harald Søby 10:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

I know User:Uncle G was active in those discussions on Wikipedia. I think they came up with w:Template:Wiktionarypar to help with that. --Connel MacKenzie T C 10:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

And, now that I recall the events better, at the time, even if w:Template:Wiktionary could be fixed, it was realized that it would still link to the wrong entry most of the time. That well-intentioned coder Netaholic was apparently not involved in those conversations. By converting all entries to template Wiktionarypar, the remaining entries could at least be identified for human review (i.e. should such-and-such entry link to the upper case version, the lower case version or link to both.) Consensus was to depricate w:Template:Wiktionary. --Connel MacKenzie T C 14:20, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

With respect to {{wiktionarybiglangs}}, shouldn't the interwiki links be in alphabetical order? That is, bg: de: fr: gl: io: it: nl: pl: fi:. --Eddi 03:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, just realised that you had already fixed it. --Eddi 03:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

After some more people asked me about this template, I went ahead and doccumented it in-line. Please take a look and let me know if what is there makes sense to you.

Also, please let me know if you put the lg:Main Page redirect target names in for a reason? My intent is to use this template on every MediaWiki software installed page; all language Wiktionaries (and Wikipedias, for that matter) will have those pages redirecting to the name of that page in their language. If the text of the main page name is included in the interwiki link, that won't work (instead it would just go to that language's main page.)

So for example, on en.wikt.org's Wiktionary:Community Portal, including the wiktionarybiglangs should put correct interwiki links for each of the large partner languages. But it can't if the main page names are spelled out in wiktionarybiglangs.

--Connel MacKenzie T C 08:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

I thought it was only used on the main page. However, as a non-English user, I find English redirects for anything other than the main page to be a pain in the ass. Besides, that template using just PAGENAME wouldn't work on the community portal, as its pagename is "Community Portal" and not "Wiktionary:Community Portal". I think it's better to keep the interwikis separate for each page. Jon Harald Søby 10:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

I don't understand your "pain in the ass" comment. I'm talking about an inherent feature of the MediaWiki software since it (the software) is written in English. The default pages get moved to wherever when a new language is set up; the redirects still exist as long as no one deletes them. What is painful about that?

Currently, template:wiktionarybiglangs is only used on Main Page but I was hopeful I could expand it to be used elsewhere. (Any other Wiktionary would not have the same luxury as the English Wiktionary; the redirects would work only for English language/default page names.) But indeed, as you say, it may just be easier to keep the interwikis separate for each page. If so, we should consider merging it back into template:wiktionarylang and deleting it. --Connel MacKenzie T C 00:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

No, pages don't get moved if the language file is set up properly. The only reason they are at "Main Page" (et al) at some projects, is because these projects don't (yet) have proper translation of the MediaWiki software. (@ the 'pain in the ass' comment: as a "patriot" when it comes to language, I don't like the influence English has on so many other languages, and thus don't like redirects in English.) Besides, it's not hard to navigate in Wikimedia projects – almost all projects have similar navigation bars, and you should be able to find what you want by interwikis from your local project. Jon Harald Søby 11:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)Reply

We don't seem to have an entry for this yet. SemperBlotto 17:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

There you go! =) Jon Harald Søby 17:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi! Just wanted to thank you for the "for" vote on the admin page. :) --Dijan 13:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

=) You're welcome. Jon Harald Søby 18:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

See Template talk:Policy-TT for a rollback of your attempts to improve on the template.

I appreciate your effort, but it removed some flexibility. --Richardb 00:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

There, now both ways should work. Jon Harald Søby 11:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hei Jon,

I see you made the templates for Norwegian adjectives. Would it be an idea to also add the comparative and superlative forms in it, like in the Swedish templates? I don't really know if the Norwegian adjectives are regular enough for that. -- Pbb 21:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sure, I'll do that! Jon Harald Søby 15:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hint: Wiktionary:Inflection templates. — Vildricianus 15:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Yes? Jon Harald Søby 15:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi,

You might or might not already be aware that there is now a new system in place for marking translations that need to be checked (those that are suspected of being incorrect or those where it is not clear which sense(s) of a word the translations apply to). (See here for the Beer parlour discussion on this topic.)

Translations to be checked are now categorised by language. For example, Category:Translations_to_be_checked_(French) contains a list of all words where French translations need to be checked. This is designed to make the checking of these translations easier to maintain and work with.

I'm contacting everyone who has expressed an interest in working on translations or has indicated in Wiktionary:Babel that they have a good knowledge of a particular foreign language or languages.

Would you be interested in helping out with the translations to be checked for Norwegian? If so, please read the page on how to check translations.

If you want to reply to this message, please do so on my talk page. Thanks for your help you can provide.

— Paul G 08:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sure, I'll do that. Jon Harald Søby 21:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Jon! I was hoping that you can help me. I want to become a bureaucrat on the Bosnian Wiktionary (bs.wiktionary.org). I posted a request on the Meta's Requests for permission page (because that wiktiobnary did not have a local request page, until a few min. ago when I created one). I was told by one of the stewards (I assume) to create a local request page. The problem is that I don't see the point of creating a local request page at this moment because that wiktionary does not have regular users yet (who can vote) nor does it have any active sysops. It also does not have a bureaucrat, which is why I want to become one. I have made a some edits on that wiktionary, so far (with the same user name bs:User:Dijan. That wiktionary is often attacked by vandalism and most people don't notice it because it does not have any active sysops nor a bureaucrat. I've also noticed that most of the main pages (the navigation links and such) do not lead anywhere. Can you, please, help me become a bureaucrat there? Thank you. --Dijan 05:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Jon! Thank you for your reply. I have created the local request page on March 28th. I have also mentioned on Meta that I have already created that page. What can I do now?

Here is a link on Meta where I have posted it: --Dijan 00:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

The thing didn't work that way, so I've reverted. It took me to $1. —Vildricianus 13:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

That's weird. If it works now, it should be ok. Jon Harald Søby 07:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

As of 31 August, 2006 the CheckUser status vote is beginning, you have been nominated and if you are so inclined please accept your nomination on the CheckUser page. Please also read the Meta Check User policy to be sure that the responsibilities are ones you would be interested in and willing to fulfill. Tentatively the end of the election will be one month from the beginning, but that is subject to change at any time, seeing as I just made that length up and a community consensus on duration will have to be established. Thank you and good luck! - TheDaveRoss 16:54, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Dear Jon,

Thank you for signaling your confidence in my ability to act as a CheckUser for the English Wiktionary. Your vote means a lot to me. I deeply appreciate it.

You may not be aware, but the Meta: policy dictates that there must be multiple CheckUsers on any given project, or else none will be granted. Each must get 25 votes on their local wiki, as per Meta: policy, to be granted the CheckUser privilege.

I'd like to take a moment to endorse my friends and co-runners. Each of them offers different skills that, as a whole, complement the needs of the English Wiktionary.

1. User:Uncle G has been an English Wikipedia sysop longer than he's been an English Wiktionary sysop. This year (2006) he has refocused his efforts outside of Wiktionary. He was dragged away from Wiktionary while cleaning up the tens of thousands of entries on Wikipedia that linked incorrectly to Wiktionary after the case-sensitivity change in June 2005. He knows Wiktionary very well. And he is very competent at focusing his efforts wherever they are most needed. He operated the original Transwiki: bot, before we had the Special:Import feature we have now.
2. User:Kipmaster is a French Wiktionnaire sysop and bot operator who is very technically capable. He also is in Europe, making his hours of availability complementary to his American counterparts. He is active in WiktionaryZ imports and understands very well which data can be imported here, from there. He normally acts as our primary liaison to fr.wiktionary, whenever compatibility issues arise.
3. User:Jon Harald Søby is a steward. As a meta: steward, he is the primary person we call on to perform CheckUser checks now. His availability is often limited, but his Central European timezone proves to be very, very useful on occasion. He has contributed extensively to Wiktionary over the years.
4. User:Kelly Martin was recently called in to help perform CheckUser checks on the English Wiktionary. She is currently up for election also for the Board of Trustees of Wikimedia Foundation. (In the unlikely event she wins that election, she will no longer be available to pursue her CheckUser nomination here.) Since she also has CheckUser privilege on other sister projects, she is accustomed to the 'can's and 'cannot's of CheckUser procedures, in detail.

I hope you can take a moment to consider these fine candidates again. Your support means a great deal to them, as well as to Wiktionary's ability to perform its own CheckUser checks in a timely manner.

Thank you again, for your support.

--Connel MacKenzie 06:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks yourself, Connel! =) Jon Harald Søby 19:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Greetings! Could you help fill out the Norwegian entries on the pages for Appendix:Months of the Year and Appendix:Units of time? Norwegian is one language that is embarrasingly absent on both pages. Do you know someone who could help fill in the Icelandic terms as well? Thanks. --EncycloPetey 22:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

OK, filling in now. I think Spacebirdy would be able to help with Icelandic. Jon Harald Søby 22:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Really?...doesn't list that language on the user page... --EncycloPetey 22:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Well, he is an admin on is:, and I think she has contributed with Icelandic words here earlier. Jon Harald Søby 22:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

On is.wikt there are all months starting with janúar=january. second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year.

I am mostly active on de.wikt, is.wikt and es.wikt. I mainly contribute there so I kindly ask for Your understanding, that I am a very seldom contributor here and will not have the time to fill out those lists, but I hope the translations I gave You here are good enough for You.

Best regards --birdy _{(:> )=|} 22:49, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply