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@CodeCat, yeah but it requires to edit +10 pages of descendants (e.g. just to add Balto-Slavic), would be better if there was way to display automatically etymology from Proto-Slavic page so if i change something in it then changes will also appear in descendant's etymology. —Игорь Тълкачь20:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Duplicates information that is already in the etymology. (In the etymology, it would be simply written like: "from Proto-Indo-European *swep-".)
Annoying little ugly box. (to be fair, that's just my opinion)
I'm not too sure we need this template. Anyone has reasons to keep it?
Wiktionary:Votes/2016-07/Adding PIE root box failed. It's worth repeating that the vote was not about having the template, it was about adding it to a large number of entries (through automatic and semi-automatic edits). Still, the vote failed almost unanimously and some opposers gave reasons not to have the template at all.
Suggestion: Edit {{der}} and {{inh}} to make them able to categorize the entries into PIE root categories. This way, we would be able to delete {{PIE root}} while keeping the categories populated.
If there's any problem with the suggestion above or if it takes time to make the necessary changes, we can also consider keeping {{PIE root}} for some time but only as a categorization template, without showing the box at all. Although I consider this a poor workaround if we can do the same work using {{der}} and {{inh}}. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 11:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
The main difference is that the others are for roots in the same language- the PIE root box would be analogous to a Proto-Semitic root box in Hebrew, Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Maltese, etc. Also, the ones I've seen are in languages such as Hebrew where roots are part of the morphology of the language in question, and knowing the roots helps in understanding those languages in ways having nothing to do with etymology. Chuck Entz (talk) 03:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
What about cases where {{der}} or {{inh}} are not desirable, since the etymology would become too elaborate and duplicative? Consider witty; do we want to trace it all the way back to *weyd- just so that we can write {{der|en|ine-pro|*weyd-}} and get the category, even though the current etymology is still perfectly fine? The PIE box bypasses this issue. —CodeCat17:52, 22 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
Comment - I agree with you about keeping the box & category, but actually, yes i do think we should trace the etymology of words "all the way back" (as far as we can), & do so on the article-page for the word. That is MUCH more useful to readers/end-users, than making them click through page after page to find the ultimate root. Utility for end-users is the point of the project (& there are no shortage of "basic"-level content dictionary websites out there. what's the point of having wiktionary, if that's all we are going to do?). Lx 121 (talk) 10:48, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Whatever gives you that idea? Let's say that we decide to use {{der}} to give the PIE root. Then the etymology would necessarily become the horribly convoluted
From {{inh|en|ang|wittiġ}}, from {{affix|ang|witt|-iġ|nocat=1}}, equivalent to modern {{affix|en|wit|-y}}. The former term derives from {{der|en|gem-pro|*witją}}, from {{der|en|ine-pro|*weyd-}}, while the latter derives from {{der|en|gem-pro|*-gaz}}, from {{der|en|ine-pro|*-ḱos}}.
I know we usually don't do this for words formed from a suffix (in this case, a suffix in the Old English word). This also means that a word like unbelievable shouldn't mention in the etymology all the Middle English, Old English, Proto-Germanic and the like, that are ancestors of believe, and it also means that unbelievable won't be placed in categories like "English derived from Proto-Germanic".
With that in mind, {{PIE root}} looks like a case of special pleading to me. Either we do mention all those ancestors, or we don't. Why aren't we adding boxes for Middle English, Old English, Proto-Germanic and other ancestor languages? I'm not really convinced that we need a box for PIE and keep the etymology small, without most ancestors in the "main" text, as suggested. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
To keep current categorization, I used the word "derived" (and not "borrowed", "inherited") in all the PIE root category names. It would be overkill to start populating categories like "Category:Czech terms inherited from the PIE root *swep-" and "Category:Czech terms borrowed from the PIE root *swep-".
Probably Module:etymology can be edited to allow categories for languages other than PIE if people want.
Delete unless its functionality is reduced to solely categorisation, and there is no better solution. I'm not sure I agree with Daniel when he says that every ultimately PIE-derived word should trace its roots directly back to PIE in the etymology section. For example, swiftly is ultimately from PIE but the etymology swift + ly is surely sufficient; anything more than that would be overkill. This template could be handy as an invisible categorisation tool, if such categorisation is what we want. This, that and the other (talk) 09:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
If Daniel Carrero has indeed made {{der}}, {{inh}} and {{bor}} do the categorization automatically, then my vote can simply be a delete rather than a categorization only. It is entirely duplicative apart from the box, which nobody seems to like. Renard Migrant (talk) 23:14, 25 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
He hasn't. He tried, and posted about it, but I reverted, explaining that it doesn't work. The difficulty is in getting {{der}} to recognise whether a term is a root, which is pretty much impossible. —CodeCat23:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC)Reply
Keep: Not all etymologies mention the PIE root, so categorization using {{der}} would not include all terms from a root; for instance, τελέω(teléō) mentions derivation from τέλος(télos), whose etymology section in turn mentions *kʷel-. — Eru·tuon20:36, 6 September 2016 (UTC)Reply
Keep - User:Victar if you look carefully it's more like "no consensus". Just having a simple majority of votes does not make a consensus on Wikimedia projects. & I vote "keep"; fix the box if there are problems with it, but the categorisation makes obvious sense. It seems like there is some kind of push on here to wipe out PIE etymology (in word entries), or at least to bury it so deep that it is hidden from end-users & effectively useless. Is there some reason that we don't want end-users to know the PIE roots of words? Is "less-usefulness" the new black? :p Lx 121 (talk) 10:37, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply