User talk:Cernacas

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! -- Apisite (talk) 23:03, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi. You can leave the edit summary blank for a new page. It will automatically be filled with the page contents, which is more useful than text like "new page". Thanks. Equinox ◑ 19:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

First of all, pronouns are pronouns, not nouns- so use a "Pronoun" part of speech header. Second, you have to put a headword template after the part of speech header. For Northern Ohlone entries, that will always start with {{head|cst| followed by the part of speech, as in {{head|cst|pronoun}}. In one case, you put {{head|cst|loskoimin}}, so the template added the entry to "Category:Northern Ohlone loskoimins". Do not use headword templates for other languages, such as {{en-pron}}- that will put your entry in categories for that language (e.g. {{en-pron|desc=] ] ]|]|kiš|]|ek-|] ]|-ek}} put Northern Ohlone kaana into Category:English lemmas and Category:English nouns). If you want to have links to other forms in the headword, put the name of the form you're linking to in the next parameter, then the form itself in the parameter after that, and so on in pairs, as in {{head|cst|pronoun|]|kiš|]|ek-|] ]|-ek}}. I believe that covers the mistakes I've found so far. Please be more careful. Chuck Entz (talk) 09:51, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

You have a definition of this as axolotl, but axolotls have always been limited to freshwater in the immediate vicinity of Mexico City and the Chochenyo had no contact with the Aztecs. I found a reference in the Pinart Costanoan vocabularies to a Spanish word for salamander, "aolot", which I can't seem to find anywhere else. A salamander would make more sense than an axolotl, especially since Spanish ajolote, which is derived from axolotl, can apply to tadpoles, and the axolotl is itself a type of salamander. That said, that's still not much to go on. Do you remember what page in the Harrington pdf you found it on? Chuck Entz (talk) 09:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

I thought it was funny when I came across this term. On p. 69 Harrington writes "pālatmin, ajolote, / they say these turn into salmon. Salmon always wave their fins even when resting..."

María Colós gave a vocabulary with a very wide reach, discussing people, plants and animals from all over the west coast. I agree though, "ajolote" doesn't necessarily translate to "axolotl". In Marc Okrand's 1977 thesis on Mutsun he discusses the challenges of translating from Californio Spanish, which is itself a poorly understood dialect.

All that being said, I think we can remove the "axolotl" entry, assuming no other uses from modern writers, such As Vincent Medina.

Thank you for taking the time to research this! Cernacas (talk) 18:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply