User talk:Koreacurry

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! -- Apisite (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

You added utaaira: do you have any good attestation/citations/quotes for the use of this word? I can only find unreliable a few Twitter/forum posts. tbm (talk) 09:39, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

I found it in the Accessible Travel book by Lonely Planet. Koreacurry (talk) 09:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the clarification. Even if it's listed there, please don't blindly add words in a language you don't know from a word with travel phrasebook. They are often poor quality. For example, it says on page 333 that "dairy" is "duka la kuuzia maziwa" but this translates roughly as a "shop that sells milk". How does "dairy" become a "shop" (that sells milk)? Wiktionary has very clear attestation criteria. You added "kuzubaa kwa sababu ya shida ya akili" but if you google for that you find one single hit (the Lonely Planet phrasebook). That's not sufficient attestation to include it. I think you're trying to do the right thing but you a) need to familiarize yourself with Wiktionary policies and b) don't edit languages you don't know. tbm (talk) 06:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi. I have blocked you for a day because you have obviously no idea what you're doing and whereas before you simply created pages that were wrong, with agle you also changed pages that were correct, and that goes over the line. If you don't slow down and stop editing languages you don't know anything about, I will block you again. Please tell me if there's anything you don't understand. Thadh (talk) 10:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

This blocked user is asking that their block be reviewed:

Koreacurry (block log • active blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • abuse filter log • user creation log • change block settings • unblock)

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Request reason:

What was my reason for being blocked? My edits are accurate and reliable, and there isn't even any example of what I've been blocked for. Thanks

Hey sorry yeah I thought pages with differing accents on letters (like agle and aglé) should be separated but clearly not. The entries I’m adding however are backed by actual sources which I can show if needed. Koreacurry (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Whether a word is lemmatised at an accent-bearing page or not depends on that language, and since you obviously are not familiar with Afar, you shouldn't have moved the page.

Furthermore, if you can show sources: Do it! The more sources on a page the better it is (although, of course, you shouldn't take it to the extreme, if there's three or four then that's more than enough references). But the thing is also, not all sources are sufficient to prove the existence of a word. Lonely Planet, which you have mentioned in the thread above, is one of those sources which are not aimed at representing the language in a correct manner, and might contain tons of mistakes, outdated orthographies, outdated information etc. etc., especially with smaller or faraway languages.

Finally, when editing a language, you should think about the way the entries are formatted. Like with Afar, accent marks aren't obligatory, hence the entries are kept at entries without accent marks and these are added in the headword. If you just go by the first dictionary you can find though, you would come to the opposite conclusion; So before editing a language, you really need to know at least something about this language - its orthography, its grammar. Whether the language is flectional, and at which form you should host the lemma... Thadh (talk) 13:01, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Would I be correct in assuming Afar’s accents are like those of Slovenian/Russian/Ukrainian? (e.g. not always needed)

In addition, I can add my source here as I don’t know how to do it on each individual page. Koreacurry (talk) 13:18, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes, Afar accents are like those of Russian/Ukrainian.

No, you should learn to add it to pages. If you use a long-term language-specific resource, you should create a reference template, like {{R:izh:Nirvi:1971}} or {{R:kpv:Bubrikh:1949}}. If you just use a source once, then you should use {{cite-book}}, {{cite-journal}} or similar. You should take a look at the code and when tomorrow your block expires you could try adding some sources to pages you created. Thadh (talk) 13:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hinukh should be entered in Cyrillic. Also, morpheme boundaries should not be included in page titles. It seems you are randomly copying content from various books without understanding what you are doing. I have blocked you for three days because of that. Please don't add content in languages with which you are unfamiliar. --Vahag (talk) 23:17, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

To give you an example of why this is so bad: you made Zazaki poste "shoe" based on {{R:zza:Todd|page=3}}. But there is a mistake in the book. As you can see on {{R:zza:Todd|page=147}}, Zazaki poste means "skin; hide". "Shoe" is postal. You can't catch such mistakes unless you know what you're doing. I'm going to delete all you Zazaki and Hinukh contributions because they are unreliable. Vahag (talk) 23:42, 17 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

If I can’t contribute in languages I can’t speak, then what can I do? It seems a bit pointless as only 300 people speak Hinukh so surely any help is good help. I might be wrong though. Koreacurry (talk) 08:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

You can contribute to the English language. Or you can take up a hobby other than Wiktionary. Vahag (talk) 09:27, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

You keep creating entries without headword templates- please stop. These are necessary to standardize the formatting and to put the entries in the right categories (see our Entry layout page). If the language doesn't have its own headword templates (always check what other entries in the language use, and see Category:Headword-line templates by language), you can always use {{head||}} (our List of languages has all the permissable language codes, and WT:EL has all the permissible parts of speech). If you don't use headword templates, there's an abuse filter that tags your edit- and someone like me will have to go back and fix it.

Just in general, adding entries in languages you know nothing about is very risky and will inevitably get you in trouble. Many languages have peculiarities that cause problems with even very basic things like which grammatical form or spelling to choose as the lemma, and what information is needed in the headword. There are some languages where parts of speech aren't what you think they are: what would be an adjective in most languages is really a stative verb, for instance. It's usually a good idea to go to the main category for the language and look for a link to an "About" or "Language considerations" page.

I've been tinkering with various languages for half a century and I have a degree in linguistics, but there are lots of languages I won't touch without leaving an {{attention}} template so people who know the language can check my edit. There have been a number of editors who contributed vast numbers of edits in languages they didn't know before they were banned, and we're still finding and cleaning up their mistakes- some of them after a decade or more. Please don't be one of those people! Chuck Entz (talk) 23:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)Reply