User talk:Babr

Hey Babr. I've added a few things on Template:fa-family names/Iran and I've noticed you broken up the links of words such as مادربزرگ (mâdar-bozorg) into their compound words (مادربزرگ). Is this intentional? Just curious.

Also, congrats, the brother row is now complete. Light hearted sam (talk) 15:15, 19 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Light hearted sam, thanks! I've been meaning to expand it but finding such specific information on Persian dialects has been a little difficult.

To answer your question: yes, it was intentional, though I'm not sure if I will stick with that approach. Initially, I set it up like that because I thought that since بزرگ could be suffixed to most family members, it could be excessive to create entries for all of them. I'm open to linking them as a single entry again, if you think that's preferable. Maybe we should just link grandparents as a single word? — BABR・talk 00:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

Well, I live in Iran and I’ve heard the compound for grandparents much more, so might be appropriate to link grandparents together at least for now. Light hearted sam (talk) 14:33, 24 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Light hearted sam sounds good, I'll change them. BTW, do you have information on the other regional dialects in Iran? It's hard to get a scope of which dialect to include and how many. — BABR・talk 20:21, 24 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

It’s kinda hard to distinguish between the various dialects here vs their sub-dialects and the languages spoken by various ethnic groups (that often influence dialects), but I can think of a few to add:

1. Isfahani, Mashhadi, Bandari, and shomali/Mazandarani are your best bets, although one could ague Mazandarani/Gilaki wouldn’t count because it’s a language.
2. Shushtari, and Dezfuli in the Kuzhestani/Jonubi dialects, followed by Ahvazi, Behbehani, and Abadani which you already have.
3. Qazvini, Hamedani, Yazdi, Shahr-e Kordi (not to be confused with Kurdi), and Kermanshahi (influenced by Kermanshahi Kurdi).

For now consider adding 1 and some of 3, since adding 2 could get it too cluttered .

Light hearted sam (talk) 07:51, 25 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

I noticed you removed the usage notes of هست in your edit , but to my knowledge the distinction still exist and is very apparent in some cases (even in colloquial speech). Unless I'm missing something I think it would be better to revert back to the previous revision. Light hearted sam (talk) 08:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Light hearted sam, thanks for reaching out.

I wrote the usage note originally, but I had read that forms of *هستن (هستم, هستی, هستند) and بودن (استم, استی, استند) were originally separate verbs, but have merged for all but the 3rd person (is that something you can verify?), so I wanted to redo my research and write it again. I had also heard speakers use them interchangeably, but this may be due to Afghan dialects having lost the /h/ sound, as I only ever hear Afghan dialects in my day-to-day life can't attest as to whether a colloquialism exists in Iran. — BABR・talk 16:38, 30 April 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Babr Oh, in that case you're right.

About using them interchangeably, it depends on the context.

Distinction

	Example sentence	Colloquial	Meaning
هستن (hastan, “being”)	آب هست؟ âb hast?	آب هس؟ âb has?	Is there water?
بودن (budan, “existing”)	آب است؟ âb ast?	آبه؟ âbe?	Is this water?

هست can also come from بودن (budan, “existing”)

• کجا هستی؟ ― where are you?
  • من در خانه هستم. ― man dar xâne hastam. ― I am at home. (emphasis on existing.)
  • من خانه‌ام. ― man xâne-am ― I'm home. (emphasis on whereabouts.)
  • *من در خانه استم ✘
    • Forms of *(استم, استی, استیم, استید, استند) are all incorrect.

است must also be used for adjectives unless for emphasis.

Hast-e ta'kidi

With است	With هست
خدا مهربان است، ولی... xodâ mehrabân ast, vali... God is kind, but... (Emphasis on the how)	خدا مهربان هست، ولی... xodâ mehrabân hast, vali... God is kind, but... (Emphasis on is)
خدا مهربونه، ولی... (colloquial) xodâ mehrabune, vali... God is kind, but...

As you can see sometimes in colloquial speech such things get ignored.

Hope this clarified it. Also read the usage notes at بودن, it goes into it extensively. Light hearted sam (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

I don’t talk here often or particularly like to but thanks for changing the lang code (for برس) on my behalf. Stupid mistake on my part. There are slip-ups or easy-to-miss details sometimes. I’ve been learning things and how they work as I go along. Arctrinity (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

When you do mass edits, you need to be more careful about checking for module errors. If someone wanted to set up a test case for strange combinations of apostrophe/quote characters, they couldn't come up with anything more bizarre than this, so I can see why the IPA module couldn't handle it. It just shows you have to expect things to go wrong... @Benwing2. Chuck Entz (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Chuck Entz thanks, I was checking every edit before submitting but errors caused by the page name aren't visible in the diff viewer — BABR・talk 19:53, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply

@Chuck Entz I wouldn't even know how this is supposed to be pronounced in Czech. The c' part isn't standard. Benwing2 (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)Reply