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Hello @Babr. Regarding your earlier message, in order to create a table for Iranian dialects, I suggest referencing "Persian Dialects: As Spoken in Iran", which covers the dialects of Abadan, Bandar Abbas, Isfahan, Kashan, Hamadan, Kerman, Mashhad, Shiraz, and Yazd, mentioning relevant kinship terms for each. The only difficultly with referencing it is that terms are sometimes listed without transliteration or vocalisation. If you want to create a table for Tajiki as well, I suggest referencing the "Thematic Tajiki Dialect Dictionary", which includes both the standard Tajiki term and the equivalent used in the dialect of Khujand.
Also, as an side note that you may already be aware of, the automated transliteration of Iranian Persian, as well as the IPA transcription, appear to be slightly misfunctioning in certain instances. In particular, /ay/ seems to become /ey/ even when separated by the syllable boundary. For example, entering پَیَام(payâm) results in payām／peyâm (rather than payām／payâm). The same applies to all other examples, like عیال(ayâl), لیان(layân), and بیان(bayân). Meanwhile, The IPA transcription template works correctly only when syllables are manually separated. For example, {{fa-IPA|ir=bayān}} results in the following incorrect transliteration and transcription:
@Samiollah1357: I'm sure it's the case of correction @Babr is trying apply on the diphthongs "ay" and "aw". In my opinion, the Iranian Persian should vocalise the way they are spelled - both with the vocalisation and the Roman input in {{fa-IPA}}.
شِیْخ(šeyx) and شَیْخ(šeyx) result in the same transliteration for modern Iranian but the latter vocalisation is incorrect for Iranian.
Same with نُوْروز(nowruz) and نَوْروز(nowruz) - the former vocalisation is correct but the latter is not (for modern Iranian, not for other varieties).
Perhaps, but having to enter two different vocalisations into one transliteration template would be excessive and defeat its purpose. At that point, one might as well just type the different transliterations manually or use two separate templates. Being able to generate both Iranian and Dari transliterations from just the vocalised Classical Persian spelling is its purpose.
The solution I see is to use a way to detect syllable boundaries (the IPA template already seems capable of this) to avoid applying the /ay/ > /ey/ shift in such instances. The examples you mention are not important, since /ay/ and /aw/ don't occur in the same syllable in Iranian Persian at all. All instances of Classical Persian /ay/ and /aw/ have become /ey/ and /ow/. Samiollah1357 (talk) 04:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Samiollah1357: I liked that automation too. Perhaps the vocalisation issue I described is competely different but بَیان(beyân) produces "beyân" instead of the desired "bayân" on Iranian.
@Samiollah1357 Thanks for the response and the references you provided! I will make a dialectal table for Iranian dialects when I can, but I am a bit busy at the moment so I'll need to take a wikibreak, unfortunately. I'll work on it when I get back.
Also, the issues in {{fa-xlit}} and {{fa-IPA}} are the same, as fa-xlit actually uses the dialect conversion built into fa-IPA. I will try to fix fa-IPA when I can, it has a few issues because of my poor coding skills. I have gotten a bit better at coding since then and should be able to make some basic improvements in the coming months. — BABR・talk15:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Babr pronunciation
Latest comment: 1 month ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Hello,
Your user page has a IPA transcription of your username that reads /bæbɜ˞/. Is this pronunciation correct?