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Hi, just a note to be careful when adding Catalan pronunciations. For example, you added a pronunciation of ê to esquetx, which is wrong (it should be é) and unlikely in any case, since ê generally only occurs with inheritances and some old borrowings, and esquetx is a recent borrowing from English. I have documented the sources of pronunciation in the documentation to {{ca-IPA}}; in particular, only trust the DCVB for Balearic pronunciations and don't trust cawikt at all. Benwing2 (talk) 02:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Benwing2: Ok, I thought cawikt was fairly reliable. Btw, thanks for your great work on the Catalan corner! Jberkel 10:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Jberkel, willst du noch einen neunen Update der Statistik machen? Dein letzter stammt schon wieder vom 1. Juli. Ja, ich weiß dass es eine Menge Zeit und Computerkraft beansprucht, aber ich denke wir alle möchten das einfach schon mal wieder wissen. :) Steinbach (talk) 17:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Steinbach Hallo, würde ich gerne regelmäßig machen, aber es gibt immer noch Datenprobleme mit den HTML-Dumps: phab:T305407. Die letzten einigermaßen kompletten Daten sind vom letzten Juli. Die WMF-Leute arbeiten daran, aber irgendwie dauert das ewig, bin schon ständig am nachfragen :( Jberkel 17:42, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Steinbach Gibt frische Stats… Jberkel 00:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I saw your posts complaining about the lack of HTML dumps as I had the same issue. I ended up creating my own HTML dump using the API to rapidly download millions of entries. I used the 20240220 XML dump as a base so that the two dumps would include exactly the same revisions. Note that the same wikitext can produce different HTML code at different points in time, so I can't guarantee that the page looks exactly as it did at the time of the XML dump.

• Pages included: non-redirects in namespaces 0 (main) and 118 (reconstruction)
• Number of lines: 7,952,575
• Time generated: February ‎20, ‎2024, ‏‎7:49:52 PM to ‎February ‎22, ‎2024, ‏‎1:16:18 AM (EST)
• Uncompressed size: 112,213,194,308 bytes
• Compressed size: 5,482,140,342 bytes

Would you be interested in the code or the dump itself?

Ioaxxere (talk) 20:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Ioaxxere Lol, I'm close to starting a project myself, given the glacial progress on the WMF side. Yes, I'm interested, how did you get the HTML, how long does it take? Is it the Parsoid rendered version which is used in the HTML dumps? If you want we can join forces and run it as a community project. Jberkel 09:44, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

The script works by grabbing HTML data using a revision ID. For example: https://en.wiktionary.org/w/api.php?action=parse&oldid=65853771&format=json. I'm not sure what parser is used but it seems to correspond with "view page source" in my browser. Here is the code:

import requests
import concurrent.futures
from time import time, sleep
from random import random
import mmap
import re

BATCH_SIZE = 10000
HEADER = {"User-Agent": "User:Ioaxxere"} # replace with your username

# tuned parameters
RATE_LIMIT = 80 # per second
THREAD_COUNT = 100

def fetch_data(revid):
    print(revid)
    while True:
        starttime = time()
        try:
            result = requests.get(f"https://en.wiktionary.org/w/api.php?action=parse&oldid={revid}&format=json", headers=HEADER)
            if result.status_code == 200: # OK
                break
            print("...error:", result.status_code)
        except:
            print("...error: Connection failed")
        sleep(0.5 * (1 + random()))

    waittime = THREAD_COUNT/RATE_LIMIT - (time() - starttime)
    if waittime > 0:
        sleep(waittime)

    return result.text

def big_file_finditer(filename, pattern, flags=""):
    compiled_pattern = re.compile(pattern.encode(), flags)
    with open(filename, "r") as f:
        return compiled_pattern.finditer(mmap.mmap(f.fileno(), 0, access=mmap.ACCESS_READ))

pages = 

for i in range(0, len(pages), BATCH_SIZE):
    queries = pages

    with concurrent.futures.ThreadPoolExecutor(max_workers=THREAD_COUNT) as executor:
        output = executor.map(fetch_data, queries)

    output = "\n".join(q for q in output) + "\n"
    open(r"D:\wiktionarydumps\output.ndjson", "a", encoding="utf-8").write(output) # replace with your output location

Then I verified the output with this code:

import re
n = 0
with open(r"D:\wiktionarydumps\output.ndjson", "r", encoding="utf-8") as f:
	for line in f:
		n += 1
		if line.startswith("{\"error\":"):
			print(n, re.findall("\"code\":\"(+)\"", line))

Which produced:

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These correspond with pages in the XML dump that have recently been deleted.

I don't have the time/resources to generate these on a regular basis, but you're welcome to adapt this code for your purposes!

Ioaxxere (talk) 19:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh god, I just realized that adding &parsoid=true to the API query gives *far* better data. Time to rerun... Ioaxxere (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Cool, thanks! We could run it on WMF infrastructure. Great to see that 50 lines of Python yield better results than the WMF's buzzword soup of Kafka, DAGs and what have you… How long does it take to do a full run? Jberkel 15:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

nm, you already had in your post, almost 2 days… :) Jberkel 15:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Even if the WMF some day manage to produce useful dumps again, we'll still need wiki-specific namespaces such as Reconstruction, so it'll be useful to have some way of generating them ourselves. Jberkel 15:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

I just discovered there are two unit testing frameworks here, Module:UnitTests used by everyone but you, and Module:ScribuntoUnit used by you. The former is older than the latter, so I'm not sure why you imported the latter from Wikipedia, but I think we should consolidate. Can you think about converting your unit tests to use Module:UnitTests? Benwing2 (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, just wondering if you got my msg. Can you at least clarify why you imported and started using Module:ScribuntoUnit in preference to our own module? BTW I just discovered a third unit test framework, Module:QFQ/UnitTests, used only on Module:mnw-translit. Benwing2 (talk) 07:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Benwing2, sorry had short Wiktionary hiatus. It's been a long time (~ 10 years), but I think when I first looked at Module:UnitTests it was a spaghetti mess and didn't have the features I wanted. That's probably no longer the case, and I agree it's better to standardize on one framework. Jberkel 09:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wwoww, Jberkel, you're fast. Wanted to cite the same Guardian passage here, and it was already there ... MistaPPPP (talk) 12:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

I need to apologise to you also, about my simple edit in my archaic paragraph about certain 'etymologies that discredit Wiktionary' that it should have completely disrupted the edit section including yours - there should really be mechanism in place to stop this from happening, since any innocent editor could well make a similar mistake that if not detected quickly as both Surjection and I did, it could cause linguistic mayhem! Regards, Andrew Andrew H. Gray 11:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

What Doyle said was about this:

https://en.m.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/arse#English

Here, ass is another way of spelling arse (as in dumb). Lunatone3000 (talk) 22:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

You mentioned this in a beer parlour comment about "the reputation system, for good or ill".

The reputation system is for ill.

There are editors like me whose behavior is scrutinized. And people are willing to make inaccurate claims about how many or few productive edits I've

Then there are other editors who have almost no ability at all to get along with other editors or admit wrongdoing. But, because they're perceived as being essential to the project, it's unacceptable to question their opinions or behavior. Purplebackpack89 13:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'd say there's a mix of different people finding problems with your edits: editors who had already mentally "blacklisted" you (Equinox, putting you in the "moron" box), WF (creating RFDs "for the lulz" to create havoc), and more level-headed/diplomatic editors who see real CFI/process-related issues. As -sche pointed out, because there are so many different editors involved, it's difficult to conclude that *all* of them are here to harass you. And because this has been going on for years, patience/good will/faith is running low… Jberkel 14:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Because there are so many different editors involved" makes it feel like I'm being harassed regardless of why they are doing it. Perhaps unwittingly, Equinox name-calling and WF/Denazz trolling made it harder for somebody like Benwing to legit address my edits. Knightwho is somewhere in between. While he may also legit want to clean up the project, he has a long and well-documented history of being confrontational. And the other problem is that Benwing and Knight could've maybe noticed that I felt put upon at the moment and maybe waited, say, a couple of weeks until things had died down. There wasn't anything they were doing that had to be addressed immediately. They didn't do that. Purplebackpack89 16:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

User:Jberkel/lists/wanted hasn't bin updated4a while. Can we get it bac, pls? Denazz (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

now iz bac. zorry for ze inconviniance caused. Jberkel 09:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Many of the various long lists on user subpages of yours seem to have served their purpose and/or to no longer be in active use. Also, the same term often appears on multiple subpages, differing only by when they were compiled. The result of this is that using "&sort=incoming_links_desc" in the searchbox to find entries relatively important to other Wiktionary entries does not give a good list. My user pages have had the same effect. I have consequently used <nowiki> to disable entire subpages. If you are too busy, let me know which pages are important (of what rule to follow to determine importance) so I could disable the right pages, if there are any. You are not the only one with such subpages, but yours are the ones I most notice. DCDuring (talk) 22:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Are you referring to the wanted entries lists? Yes, they should probably be deleted, but I haven't had the time to submit them all for deletion (needs to be automated, there are so many of them). Maybe some admin with scripting skills can delete them directly? Jberkel 22:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, them's the ones. Did you want to extract any of the redlinks in any of them? DCDuring (talk) 23:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I believe, based on a simple test on made-up subpages of mine, that you can delete all the subpages of a top subpage at once by deleting the top subpage. That wouldn't take long. I don't think adminship is required. I was wrong. It seems to be as you said. DCDuring (talk) 23:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Benwing2 Could you please mass-delete the old wanted entries lists (and dependent data modules)? Perhaps everything before 2024. Jberkel 07:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Jberkel Can you supply me with a list (at least in schematic form, it doesn't have to include every single ifle)? Benwing2 (talk) 07:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Benwing2: every list has two pages:

• User:Jberkel/lists/wanted/YYYYMMDD/
• User:Jberkel/lists/wanted/YYYYMMDD//data

Language codes are in User:Jberkel/lists/wanted/languages.

Timestamps to delete:

20230701, 20230601, 20230301, 20230201, 20230101,20221001, 20220820, 20220601, 20220501, 20220401, 20220320, 20220301, 20220120, 20220101, 20211201, 20211101, 20211001, 20210901, 20210801, 20210701, 20210601, 20210501, 20210401, 20210101, 20201101, 20200401, 20200201, 20200120, 20200101, 20191201, 20191101, 20191020, 20191001, 20190901, 20190801, 20190701, 20190620, 20190601, 20190501, 20190420, 20190401.

+ for each timestamp, the overview page: User:Jberkel/lists/wanted/YYYYMMDD

– Jberkel 13:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hello, may I ask you why did you revert me here? Regards, RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why did you replace … with ... in the first place? One is an ellipsis, the other are three dots, it's not the same thing. Jberkel 20:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Most projects use three periods instead of the ellipsis (w:WP:...), as older browsers and systems may not support it properly. I thought it to be convicing, though I confess I'm not sure if there's a policy regarding that here on Wiktionary. Best regards, RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

In general, Wiktionary doesn't follow Wikipedia's style guidelines. The ellipsis template has been around for a long time (2008), if you want to change it to dots please start a discussion somewhere first. There's no clear policy on this afaik. Jberkel 21:20, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nous vous rappelons que les Actualités du Wiktionnaire sont toujours publiées, mais notre système d'annonces n'était plus en service. Veuillez nous excuser pour les inconvénients.

Un nouveau numéro des Actualités du Wiktionnaire vient de paraître !

Dans ces Actualités estivales bien fournies, une revue de presse et une liste de vidéos pour améliorer vos siestes moites, ainsi que trois articles : un dictionnaire de cooccurrences présenté par Trace, une discussion à partir d’un article sur les mots les plus recherchés dans les dictionnaires par Noé et une explication sur les enclises par Àncilu. Le tout enrobé d’illustrations d’actualité.

Découvrez le numéro 112 de juillet 2024 !

Brouillon du prochain — Anciens numéros — Abonnement-désabonnement

Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 19:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

User:Jberkel/lists/Frequency links to v2

https://storage.googleapis.com/books/ngrams/books/datasetsv3.html was released 3 years after your last generation, perhaps you might be interested in updating? Akaibu (talk) 03:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please don't leave etymologies like that, @Trooper57 maybe you can help? Stríðsdrengur (talk) 14:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Why? It’s a wiki, a work in progress. It will get completed eventually. Patience :) Jberkel 21:47, 28 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I mean, just putting "Tupian" doesn't help much Stríðsdrengur (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

It’s not wrong is it? Someone with more knowledge can make it more precise. That’s why I added the rfe afterwards. Jberkel 18:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

You still don't understand, just putting "tupian" doesn't help at all, you could try to make an effort and put at least something basic like "derived from a tupian language" Stríðsdrengur (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, again, it's a wiki, yes, a full sentence would be splendid, but users are surely able to figure out what "Tupian" means if they follow the link. Perhaps most of the Brazilian Portuguese borrowings are really from Old Tupi, but they could also be recent borrowings from a contemporary Tupian language. Not sure. One last thing, I'd like to echo WF's comments on your talk page, who described your communication as "patronizing" and "finger-pointing". It's not how you make friends here… Jberkel 00:07, 31 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ce numéro estival est fort pourvu en actualités et en brèves ! Le dictionnaire du mois est présenté par Trace et porte sur les expressions, tandis que Noé disserte sur l’héritage et l’innovation du Wiktionnaire. Les illustrations viennent de la collection d’un musée de design !

Découvrez le numéro 113 de août 2024 !

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Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 13:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Un numéro avec de l’argot et des langues régionales de France ! En plus des habituelles brèves, des statistiques et de la revue de presse, deux articles par Lyokoï et Noé, entourés d’illustrations d’architecture en briques !

Découvrez le numéro 114 de septembre 2024 !

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Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 10:50, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Un numéro placé sous l’auspice de l’Antiquité grecque ! Outre les traditionnelles revue de presse du mois, actualité du projet et statistiques, un article sur l’évolution de l’intelligence artificielle par Romainbehar et la présentation de l’histoire des dictionnaires d’argot par Lyokoï !

Découvrez le numéro 115 de octobre 2024 !

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Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 10:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi, thanks for making these "wanted terms" lists, they are really useful!

Is there any chance I could ask for some parameters to be tweaked? For example, I think this list (and presumably equivalent lists for other languages) would greatly benefit from having Wiktionary:Requested entries (Welsh), Appendix:Celtic word lists and Appendix:Word lists of languages of Europe able to "contribute" - which as far as I'm aware they currently don't?

Btw, if you could also create an equivalent list for Middle Welsh (wlm), I'd be a very happy editor.

Cheers Arafsymudwr (talk) 17:30, 2 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Beaucoup de discussions ce mois-ci, ainsi que quatre chroniques ! Trois sorties majeures : la neuvième édition du Dictionnaire de l’Académie française, la Dicothèque pour consulter les entrées des dictionnaires de Wikisource et le Dictionnaire du chilleur de Jérôme 50. Encadré des bilans des incitations éditoriales du mois, un retour sur la Wikiconvention francophone vient épaissir encore ce numéro à la longueur record !

Découvrez le numéro 116 de novembre 2024 !

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Cantons-de-l'Est (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Existe um grupo de editores da parte portuguesa do Wiktionary sob o nome de Aliança Galego-Portuguesa. Eu faço parte dele, e queria lhe convidar a participar também, para que você possa fazer lobby agir pelo melhoramento do projeto com a gente! Entre no nosso servidor do Discord pra ver.

Com carinho, Polomo47 (talk) 04:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Queria lhe agradecer também pelas listas de palavras que você fez. Muito legais! Polomo47 (talk) 04:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Obrigado! O português era uma das primeiras línguas que editava no Wiktionary (em 2014), e um prazer voltar nele. Ótimo ver que tenha um grupo de editores mais ativos agora. Jberkel 11:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sim! Vem com a gente, vem! Polomo47 (talk) 01:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

The external links on your lists appear to not be working anymore T-T, not a single one. Any chance you could take a look at them? Maybe do a new dump for this month? MedK1 (talk) 23:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Done Jberkel 03:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hey, sir. I see you've signed up to the Galician-Portuguese Alliance, but have yet to join our Discord server. MedK was looking for you in there, but of course failed to find you. Join at once! :) Polomo47 (talk) 05:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ok, but I'm travelling and not always online so there's no point joining the discord (for now). Jberkel 12:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sorry for my rude response, now I realize that I was wrong to you :( Stríðsdrengur (talk) 15:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

No worries, I got used to it :) Jberkel 00:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Could you rerun this code? Just once would be good; it doesn't need to be regular. Was thinking the improvements Wikipedia has seen in the past 9 years could expand the list plenty. Polomo47 (talk) 22:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sure! The code probably needs to be adapted a bit first, it has been 9 years already? Jberkel 22:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

I bet it's surprising to think about the timespan. I'm a teenager myself — back when you ran that code, I was learning addition! Polomo47 (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wiktionary is a long game :) And good to see more younger editors around here. Jberkel 19:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)Reply