User talk:Kakaeater

You need to learn how to format things. I've cleaned up after you a few times and a bot has cleaned up a few more, but I don't know the language well enough to know if I'm missing something. Every part of speech section must have a headword template- even misspellings, phrases and forms. Please read the pages linked to below, especially our Entry layout page:

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Those symbols show how they are rounded.Most of the time we do not use them for simplicity.And Turkish dental sounds are actually denti-alveolar.We also do not show that for simplicity. Science boy 30 (talk) 01:18, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well, I'm sorry to say that you are mistaken. I've witnessed you throwing around and in front of every rounded vowel you see. You can't do that. signifies it already is a rounded vowel. If it wasn't, it would be , those two sounds' only difference is that one is rounded and the other simply isn't. And it's false that we use them to show that vowels are rounded. No we don't. You can use with constonants if you like but not with vowels since vowels cannot be labialized, then they would simply be other vowels.

As to the /t, d, s, z, n, ɫ/ sounds, I'm sorry but you're simply false. /t, d, s, z, n, ɫ/ are not but , and it is simply that. As a native speaker of the standard dialect, just like you I assume, we do not pronounce /t/ for example as but as , the first transcription is just false.

Please check the Wikipedia page on Turkish phonology and please continue your edits after checking the page out since your edits on IPA are just complexifying the transcription. It is confusing for Turkish learners seeking the correct pronunciation and honestly to me as well as a native speaker. Kakaeater (talk) 02:28, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I am also a native speaker.And I am studying linguistics in Istanbul University.You should know that phonetics and phonology are different things.In phonology we do not try to use the correct transcription but the simplest one.So most of the time it is actually incorrect.If you wish we can discuss this on some other app like Whatsapp. Science boy 30 (talk) 12:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I understand where you are coming from, though in IPA transcription we are trying to transcribe the actual sounds, not the simplest sounds. Language does not work that way. There are multiple allophones of a single sounds depending on the environment and we do not just falsify the transcription for the sake of simplicity. I'm totally down to a discussion on another app although I still highly recommend you to check out the Wikipedia page where the Turkish IPA transcription is based on. Kakaeater (talk) 14:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please stop undoing my work. Science boy 30 (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Unless your work is actually the Turkish Pronunciation. Kakaeater (talk) 18:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Ben dilbilimi okuyorum yaw.Fonetik hakkındaki bilgilerim seninkinden kat ve kat daha fazladır.Yani senin gibi öyle internetten gördüklerimle Einstein kesilmiyorum.İşi uzmanlara bırak. Science boy 30 (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've never witnessed anyone this arrogant. It's obvious you aren't open to any criticism so I think it's best for it to be solved through a third party. Kakaeater (talk) 19:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Türkçe konuşabilirsin.Ve ben kibirli değilim sen bilmediğin konularda başkalarına hakaret ediyorsun.Başka bir yorum attım.Dilbilim uzmanıysan bence ona yanıt verebilirsin. Science boy 30 (talk) 19:11, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Başkalarına hakaret mi ediyorum? Bana "Einstein kesildiğimi" söyleyen sensin. Buna "matching someone's energy" denir. Ve merak etme yanıtlayacağım. Ama herhangi bir değişime ya da eleştiriye açık olmalısın. Olmazsan ve el âleme "Ben dilbilim okuyorum senden daha fazla biliyorum sen internetten öğreniyon" falan filan dersen saha küstah da denilir hakaret de edilir (ki ben etmedim). Ve beni asıl şaşırtan şey bu kadar çocuksu bir yanıtın bir üniversite öğrencisinden gelmesi. En kısa sürede başka biriyle bu olayı çözüme kavuşturalım çünkü yaptığın editler tam anlamıyla gözlerimi yakıyor. Biriyle yapıcı bir konuşmaya girmek farklı senin yaptığın gibi o kişiye küçümseyici yanıtlar vermek farklı. Eğer küçümseyici davranırsan aynı şekilde yanıtın sana verilir. Kakaeater (talk) 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Konuşalım bari başkasıyla. Science boy 30 (talk) 19:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

hey, Kakaeater, suffixes -at (< -ât) and -et are completely different, please pay attention to it Keleci (talk) 21:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh I actually didn't know. Can you clarify the etymologies of the both? I thought -at/-et were just twofold suffixes. Thank you for letting me know! Kakaeater (talk) 21:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

of course. Turkish -at (usually with a long a) is ultimately from Arabic plural suffix ات and -et is from Arabic ة, appears in the feminine declension of words (as kabahat from قباحة), it may also appear together with the nisba suffix ـي (-iyy) (hence Turkish -iyet, -iyyet, as milliyet etc.). Keleci (talk) 21:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sanırım sesbirim kavramını anlamıyorsun. Türkçe’de /ç/ sesbirimi yoktur. // sesbirimler (phonemes) içindir, saf sesler (phones) için Blueskies006 (talk) 13:11, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

/a/ konusu gibiyse senin aksine yanlışımı kabul ediyorum. /ç/'leri kaldırabilirsin ama 'nin varlığı (en azından Marmara-İstanbul aka. standart ağızlarında) tartışmasızdır. Ayrıca Türkçe'de /a/ yoktur umarım bi ortak noktada buluşuruz. Kakaeater (talk) 15:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Anlayışın için teşekkürler. Tabii mevcuttur, ama /i, y, e, ø/ ortamında /h/‘nin alofonudur. Benim naçizane fikrimde standart Türkçe’de /a/ vardır ama ağız ve ses ortamına göre olarak ta duyulabilir. Okuduklarımda her ikisini de gördüm, ama hem kendi duyduklarım hem de kendi ağzım /a/ tarafına daha yakın. /ɑ/ öbür Türk dillerinde daha yaygın (bkz standart Azerice, Uygurca, Kazakça vb. dilbilimi)

Ayrıca burda dm/text fonksiyonu var mı? Herkese açık talk pageler 😓 Blueskies006 (talk) 15:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply