User talk:Mölli-Möllerö

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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Ultimateria (talk) 15:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

In merging two essentially identical senses of the verb turn around, I had to merge two differing Finnish translations. Could you review that what I did was good enough, or else repair the damage?  --Lambiam 08:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hahaha... no relation. It is nice to see entries expand in unexpected ways. Equinox ◑ 19:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello. You seem to imply that the conjugation listed in informal. Would you be able to expand on that? Pious Eterino (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

User:Surjection wrote in 13:36, 4 January 2020‎ edit summary : "has to be marked as irreg due to the 1st infinitive being irregular; might as well use slang inflection forms". These are the slang inflection forms according to the regular colloquial Finnish / Helsinki slang morphology. In standard Finnish verbs aren't conjugated like this. If this word were adopted into Standard Finnish, its base form would be körata and the conjugation would be as follows:

However, all salata-type verbs are conjugated like this (with consonant gradation and vowel harmony taking place) in the spoken variety of the Helsinki region, even if they are not slang verbs in the first place. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I mean, conjugated like köraa in the table on the page. More or less, someone might disagree on a form or two, as it's not a standardized variety. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 14:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

• Thanks for the swift explanation. I personally can't really understand what you mean, but I'm not learning Finnish. Feel free to add something relevant to the page köraa (or to revert my edit!) Pious Eterino (talk) 14:45, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Spoken Finnish differs a lot from the Finnish taught at schools. One of the many differences is that whenever a third person singular past tense of a verb ends in a vowel followed by -si in Standard Finnish, the -i at the end is dropped. Thus when in Standard Finnish one writes salasi ("s/he encrypted") it becomes salas in spoken Finnish (both Helsinki slang and the nonslang vernacular variety spoken around Helsinki). Helsinki slang is morphologically more or less identical to the aforementioned nonslang version of colloquial Finnish but has words such as köraa which are not used in other Finnish varieties. That "informal" in the conjugation was there to inform the reader that the morphology is also from slang, not just the word itself, and thus the third person past is listed as köras instead of körasi which would be expected in the standard variety (in which this particular word is not used). Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 14:53, 11 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Heyo, about this edit, I thought you might want to have some background on Ingrian:

Right now, the work I'm doing is adding as much verification to entries as possible, since there is quite some doubt on the validity of Chernyavskij's work. Since quotations are not only used to support attestation, but also to display usage, quotations like this are useful, and since the quote concerns a 30's literary language, which as of yet only seems to support the form hiiri (with final -i), and since Nirvi (which is considered the major work on Ingrian) also supports the -i form - not to mention the fact that the book quoted also contains the nominative form - it can be safely assumed that the form is an inflection of hiiri rather than hiir.

The reason why I or anyone else is not (yet) moving the entry to hiiri, making hiir an alternative form is the fact that while it may not be reliable, Chernyavskij's teach-yourself is the most used source for Ingrian on wiktionary, and so until further consensus on the validity of his book the entries stay at his forms, making it a de facto standard orthography.

That said, if you would like to help with Ingrian, I'd be more than happy to get you started :) Thadh (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

In that case, feel free to undo my edit - or alternatively you could create the entry hiirt and put the quotation there. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 09:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

As much as KSK thinks the word has inflection class 2, it's easy to see that in practice, the -iden, -ita forms are basically not used; as an example, tiedostoiden gets ~300 ghits (the first one of which is Wiktionary!), while tiedostojen gets over a million. Wiktionary is ultimately a descriptive dictionary, so we should be reflecting actual use. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 11:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

...and tekstitiedostojen gets ~2700 ghits, tekstitiedostoiden gets 4. — surjection ⟨??⟩ 11:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, it is really bizarre that Kotus accepts both. Maybe a new declension table is needed for -sto nouns, saying that those forms are very rare but acceptable according to Kotus. Another more extreme example is näköistiedosto as "näköistiedostoiden", "näköistiedostoitten" and "näköistiedostoita" all get one hit, namely that Wiktionary page, whereas "näköistiedostojen" and "näköistiedostoja" get a bit less than 800 hits each. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 20:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

poliisi is an example of a page that deviates from the inflection type given by Kotus. It's by no means a crime to do so, so I suggest tekstitiedosto be reverted back to the valo type. (If we do add a note, it should be in tiedosto or even in -sto... where a note already exists.) — surjection ⟨??⟩ 01:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Done, I also changed the declension of näköistiedosto and expanded the note at -sto. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 10:02, 11 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hey, kirjoitan tänne kun suomenkieliseen versioon en voi. Olet estänyt IP:n (2001:999:0:0:0:0:0:0/32) enkä pääse luomaan tunnusta fi-wiktionaryyn. Voisitko muuttaa estoa niin, että se mahdollistaa tunnuksen luonnin, tai poistaa sen vaikka päiväksi? Thanks. --Daleq (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Tunnuksesi ("Daleq") pitäisi toimia fiwiktissäkin. Voit varmaan alkaa muokkaamaan sillä. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 15:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Muokkaisin kyllä mutta jostain syystä ei toimi... Loin tunnuksen siis aikoinaan en-wikipediassa ja kun eri wikiprojektit on "synkronisoitu" niin käsittääkseni tunnuksen pitäisi toimia kaikissa wikiprojekteissa ja kieliversioissa, mutta ilmeisesti on niin, että koska olet estänyt tästä IP-avaruudesta muokkaukset ja tunnuksen luonnin, niin tunnustani ei ole luotu fi-wiktionaryyn? Ainakin täällä näkyy että tunnusta ei ole rekisteröity sinne. Sinänsä järjestelmä on hyvä, koska kuka tahansa voisi kiertää estoa luomalla vain tunnuksen toisessa kieliversiossa ja palata vandalisoimaan suomi-versiota, mutta sitten käy näin ettei rehellisetkään pääse muokkaamaan... Tein siis tämän tunnuksen jo kuukausia sitten enkä ole aiemmin käynyt fi-wiktionaryssa. Esim. sv-wiktionary ja en-wiktionary toimii normaalisti. Kun yritän kirjautua fi-wiktionaryyn (muihin kieliversioihin olen kirjautunut automaattisesti), tulee vain teksti "Näyttää siltä, että tämänhetkisessä istunnossasi on jokin ongelma". EDIT: kävin vielä äsken testaamassa no-wiktionaryssa, kun menin sinne niin tunnukseni luotiin automaattisesti, ks. loki ja ilmeisesti juuri tämä estyy fi-wiktionaryssa koska tunnuksen luonti estetty tästä IP-avaruudesta. Jos estoa voisi lieventää tuon tunnuksen luonnin osalta niin auttaisi varmaan. --Daleq (talk) 16:12, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Eston asetukset muutettu sellaisiksi, että tunnusten luonti sallitaan. Muutan takaisin, kun teet ensimmäisen muokkauksesi tai kun 24 h on kulunut. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello Mölli-Möllerö, I don't want to be annoying with you but I need to be honest, please don't create stubs in Estonian, the language is a hot mess and creating more and more stubs will only hinder the organization process, I see that you always created pages without references, pronunciation, or any basic thing. This is just constructive criticism so you can rethink. Auringonlasku (talk) 16:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

OK. If an entry contains pronunciation, references, and inflection, but no etymology, does that also count as a stub? The etymology is probably usually the hardest one to find. Mölli-Möllerö (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Etymology really isn't the most essential thing, but it would be cool to see you add references, inflections and pronunciations, since all of this is given in the dictionary links we have in Wiktionary. Auringonlasku (talk) 20:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply