User talk:Porokello

Hello. Savo is not a language, it's just one of the many spoken dialects of Finnish. See the changes I've made. We don't usually enter dialectal forms. Spoken Finnish is difficult to define even by native speakers, let alone by an English-speaking student. See User talk:Jyril#Finnish Templates. Makaokalani (talk) 12:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi, can you please pay a bit more attention to the way you format your entries? I noticed that several editors have had to fix them for you. —CodeCat 01:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Each entry needs one headline template for every part of speech. If a headline template doesn't exist, then use the {{head}} template. I've corrected this one for you: neitšyt. Please take your time to fix the ones you've done retrospectively. If the same mistake is made on a continuous basis, then unfortunately I will have to temporarily block your edits. Jamesjiao → ^{T ◊ C} 03:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've gone ahead and done all the entries that I could find that you've done. Please do not make me look bad by not being more careful in the future. Thanks, Razorflame 04:26, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

In what way did I make you look bad? Porokello (talk) 04:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

You didn't. I was saying you could if you don't be more careful in the future :) Razorflame 04:29, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

You have been warned several times now. Unformatted stuff will just get deleted. SemperBlotto (talk) 09:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Enjoy letting an ill-known language die. Porokello (talk) 09:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

This time with etymologies. See this change I made for how to format them correctly. Please ask if you have any questions. Thanks —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 15:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

You may notice that Mewbot changed your recons to term/t, with * because it's a reconstructed language (the * later got deleted, causing a script error that had to be fixed by adding it back). Chuck Entz (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I did, I wasn't sure what what to make of it, my dearest apologies. Porokello (talk) 23:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nothing to apologize for. There have been lots of changes lately, and we sometimes have trouble keeping track of them ourselves, as in this case. {{recons}} and {{term/t}} are different as far as the * goes: recons doesn't need it, but term/t does.

The main problem with your entries now isn't just that, but the headword: which is a restating of the term being defined. It goes on the line immediately after the Part of Speech header, and before the definitions:

Noun

headword

1. definition
2. another definition

It's best to use one of the headword-line templates to display the headword, because they automatically do things like change the way the font looks for languages with different scripts, and add the right categories. In languages like Finnish, where people who know how to make templates have been working with them, there are specialized templates that also show information about the terms in ways designed for those specific types of terms. For instance, you put {{fi-noun}} on the headword line (after the Noun header) for nouns. If you don't have a specialized template, use {{head}}. This requires the word "head", followed by "|", then by the language code. For a Karelian word, for instance, you would use {{head|krl}}. It's always a good idea to follow the language code with the part of speech in lower case, so a Karelian adjective would take {{krl|adjective}}. The last part is important, because it adds the part of speech category. Be careful with the spelling, because it just take what you give it and trys to make a category out of it: {{krl|adjective}} adds Category:Karelian adjectives, but {{krl|adjcetive}} will add Category:Karelian adjcetives, which doesn't exist.

Each language has its own language code, which you can find in a few different ways: the easiest is to look at another entry for a word in the language and see what language code is used. The next easiest: if you know the exact spelling of the language name that Wiktionary would use, you can put the name in the {{langrev}} template and click the "show preview" button to see what it displays. For Karelian, for instance, you would type {{langrev|Karelian}}, which gives: Template:langrev. Another way is to look up the language at Wikipedia, and find out its w:ISO 639 code(s), then check for it in the list at Module:languages. Our codes don't always match ISO 639: it may have multiple codes for what we treat as a single language, or we may have created our own code for a language because ISO 639 doesn't have one. Wiktionary:LANGTREAT will often have information about such cases.

Another way to find the language code is also a good idea even if you know it already: each language is supposed to have a main category, which is named by adding "Category:" to the front and " language" to the end. If you look at the main category for the language, it should have links to most of the language-specific information you need to edit in the language. Here are the main categories for a few of languages you edit:

• Category:Finnish language
• Category:Karelian language
• Category:Northern Sami language

One thing I always look for in this category is the subcategory of templates for the language, which, in turn, has a subcategory for headword-line templates. That's how you know what's available: for Karelian, that would be: Category:Karelian templates and Category:Karelian headword-line templates. You'll notice that there's only one headword-line template for Karelian ({{krl-noun}}), so you have to use {{head|krl|part of speech}} for the other parts of speech.

Another important thing to look for is the About page (if there is one), such as Wiktionary:About Finnish or Wiktionary:About Northern Sami, which gives accepted practices for contributing to Wiktionary in the language.

Sorry for the information overload, but I figured you would rather know how to do things right than have to constantly apologize. Remember: it's always less stressful to ask about things first than to deal with people who just spent their own time fixing your mistakes. Chuck Entz (talk) 02:12, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

My previous, encyclopedic post was meant to be for someone who was still having problems in spite of having been given access to all the resources in our standard welcome template. I just now realized, though, that no one has posted it, in spite of your having made a series of mistakes that could have been prevented by reading through WT:ELE and other references. I apologize for our collective absent-mindedness/selective blindness:

Hello, welcome to Wiktionary, and thank you for your contributions so far.

If you are unfamiliar with wiki-editing, take a look at Help:How to edit a page. It is a concise list of technical guidelines to the wiki format we use here: how to, for example, make text boldfaced or create hyperlinks. Feel free to practice in the sandbox. If you would like a slower introduction we have a short tutorial.

These links may help you familiarize yourself with Wiktionary:

• Entry layout (EL) is a detailed policy on Wiktionary's page formatting; all entries must conform to it. The easiest way to start off is to copy the contents of an existing same-language entry, and then adapt it to fit the entry you are creating.
• Check out Language considerations to find out more about how to edit for a particular language.
• Our Criteria for Inclusion (CFI) defines exactly which words can be added to Wiktionary; the most important part is that Wiktionary only accepts words that have been in somewhat widespread use over the course of at least a year, and citations that demonstrate usage can be asked for when there is doubt.
• If you already have some experience with editing our sister project Wikipedia, then you may find our guide for Wikipedia users useful.
• If you have any questions, bring them to Wiktionary:Information desk or ask me on my talk page.
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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Chuck Entz (talk) 02:47, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Reply