User talk:ExcarnateSojourner

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Regarding this edit, I don't think it is useful to apply {{rhymes}} when it is unlikely that any other terms rhyme with a particular term. — SGconlaw (talk) 06:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it is useful to know when a term that could feasibly have rhymes does not, as well as when it does. I'll reconsider this, though. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 21:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 22:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please reconsider. Thanks. — SGconlaw (talk) 04:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@Sgconlaw I've taken your advice and written a script which, in addition to extracting and formatting rhymes for me, checks (for each rhyme) whether any other word in my copy of a Wiktionary database dump has a pronunciation ending with the same IPA letters. It's not perfect, as it does not take stress into account, but it should mean the vast majority of the rhymes I add from this point on will actually apply to multiple words. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 17:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks. — Sgconlaw (talk) 17:29, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a reason you're replying to talk-page messages that are a decade and a half old? It seems odd to be explaining our current policies to some of the people who took part in creating those policies in the years after they asked those questions. I suppose it could be worse: I know of at least one person from that era who's been dead for ten years. Chuck Entz (talk) 09:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Mostly to inform anyone else who stumbles across the messages. Occasionally the messages are still relevant (example), so I think it's useful to distinguish the resolved issues from the relevant ones. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 17:27, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chuck Entz - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 19:53, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi - I noticed that you put -ɪŋɡlɪʃ as the rhyme for Wenglish, but as a native British English speaker I'd personally use -ɛŋɡlɪʃ, and my bilingual Welsh friend pronounces it that way, too. I just wanted to check if this is something that differs on either side of the Atlantic? Theknightwho (talk) 16:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Jenglish is probably the same story (but I don't know how people tend to pronounce it). 70.172.194.25 16:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

@Theknightwho, 70.172.194.25 I added those rhymes only because Jenglish had a pronunciation indicating /-ɪŋɡlɪʃ/, and both Wenglish and Jenglish were already listed at Rhymes:English/ɪŋɡlɪʃ (along with many other Xenglish words). I have not heard these spoken enough to know how they are really pronounced, so I will defer to you (plural). I've removed Wenglish from Rhymes:English/ɪŋɡlɪʃ, and I welcome 70.172.194.25 or anyone else who believes it is a appropriate to correct the pronunciation of Jenglish, remove the rhyme there, and remove Jenglish from Rhymes:English/ɪŋɡlɪʃ. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 17:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks - no worries! Just wanted to check in case I was deleting a pronunciation that was in use. Theknightwho (talk) 17:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

I couldn't find any recordings on YouTube of people actually pronouncing the word "Jenglish" so I guess I'll defer to whoever had added the pronunciation previously. 70.172.194.25 22:27, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

"Welsh" already has its own "e" with its own pronunciation, so "Wenglish doesn't have to take its first vowel from "English". You might notice that "Jinglish" exists as an alternative form of "Jenglish", along with "Janglish".Chuck Entz (talk) 04:09, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey, can you run a test run of 10-25 for each of the functions you are proposing? Thanks. - TheDaveRoss 14:19, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

@TheDaveRoss  Done I've made 18 edits using the command I proposed for task 1 (removing ]) and 20 using the script for task 2 (adding |nocount=1) (relevant contribs). I admittedly did find a bug in my script for task 2 (bad edit), and have fixed it. - excarnateSojourner (talk | contrib) 17:55, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. - TheDaveRoss 18:46, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

{{unsigned}} and {{unsignedip}} are the simplest way to show the details on an unsigned post. The first parameter is the account name (or ip address for the second one), and the second parameter is the timestamp. If you do the timestamp in the correct format, those of us with the timezone-shifting gadget will see it in the correct timezone: HH:MM, DD Month YYYY (UTC). Note that the HH:MM is hours and minutes in 24-hour format, and that there's a comma after that, but none in the date. Thus: {{unsigned|Chuck Entz|04:23, 27 February 2023 (UTC)}} / — This unsigned comment was added by Chuck Entz (talk • contribs) at 04:23, 27 February 2023 (UTC). Chuck Entz (talk) 04:23, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

• Ah, good to know. Thank you. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 04:29, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

@ExcarnateSojourner so, the issue of noun declension templates is still under development, me and some friends are looking for some way to fit all the declension patterns but it's not going so well because every resource we find contradicts each other Stríðsdrengur (talk) 10:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Stríðsdrengur Ah, well I hope you're able to figure it out. I'll just leave {{hsb-decl-noun-f-hard}} as it is, then. Thanks. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 18:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the templates were useless, but that wasn't the right way to get rid of them. I don't care if it's only used in one place- NEVER have a template or a module deleted without making arrangements for orphaning it first. If it had been posted at RFDO, whoever deleted it would have known that was necessary, but in this case it looks like you gave @Equinox no hint. As it turns out, these happened to be wrapped in some rather complicated wikisyntax involving multiple sets of nowikis and html comments- not exactly a no-brainer. If you had asked me, I might have taken care of that, or at least explained why it wasn't a good idea. Instead you just tagged them for speedy deletion and I had to spend an hour figuring out why something from 2 years ago suddenly had a module error and how to fix it. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:45, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Chuck Entz I'm very sorry for causing you that trouble and will be more wary about marking for speedy deletion in the future. Please help me understand what happened. From memory I thought the templates were used only in an archived discussion page. Was this not the case? If it was the case it would not have made sense for someone to remove those uses before deleting, right? If there was some other use I did not notice, would it have appeared under WhatLinksHere, or was it more subtle than that? — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 05:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Not right. It depends on the context. In this case, I was demonstrating the behavior of variations on the {{w}} template as a parameter in another template. The reason I was doing so was because this particular template is very sensitive to the arrangement of punctuation characters in its input and a seemingly trivial change in the {{w}} template was producing bizarre results. When you delete a template its transclusions don't simply diappear: {{w-test}} becomes "Template:w-test". Feeding that into such a tricky template was more than enough to send it off the deep end, with resulting module errors. Any page (in most namespaces, anyway) with a module error ends up in CAT:E, which we try to keep as clear as possible so we can spot new problems as they occur. One more page in CAT:E is one page too many. Chuck Entz (talk) 06:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• Ok, I understand now. Thank you. — excarnateSojourner (talk · contrib) 07:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure what I did here (I haven't read my own talk stuff yet, but dealing with one at a time). I do always (before deleting templates) check that nothing links to them, but I don't know if that's 100% foolproof. For example, good ol' Visual Studio can tell "what references this code" but there might be some mad reflection or what not. We assume that the person doing such things will document them up the wazoo. Equinox ◑ 00:41, 16 September 2023 (UTC)