We usually place the Verb ahead of the Adjective for English participle entries, since the adjective derives from the verb. --EncycloPetey 04:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thanks for the info! Facts707 04:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I noted that you have taken some interest in interjections. Dictionary practice seems to differ. Some dictionaries seem to strain to reduce the category to cover only terms that have no obvious alternative PoS (eg, ahh) and others seem to include any grammatical isolate that is sometimes accompanied by strong emotion or is not a typical member of the alternative category (eg, yes, no don't seem like adverbs to most people). But we haven't determined the details of their systems. One can only assume that they have given some thought to the effect of these alternative presentations on users but come to different conclusions based on their assessments of who their users are.
My inclination is to reduce the category. We haven't reached a consensus. You have a fresh perspective which would be appreciated whenever the subject comes up. DCDuring TALK 22:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your comments. I agree with keeping as few single word, non-idiomatic interjections as possible. Otherwise there could be tens of thousands ("Green!", "Mom!", "swim!"). But I did want put in "well" as an interjection - (idiomatic) Used to acknowledge a statement or situation (short form for "that is well"). It was already an "adverb" in well for "used to introduce a statement that may be contrary to expectations" so I generalized it and put it in as an interjection instead. Facts707 22:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
You have started to omit the ==English== language heading. SemperBlotto 22:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Oops, thanks, I'll watch out for that. Mostly I'm creating new entries or missing entries by copying other entries and changing them. Facts707 22:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Your quotation says Moon not moon. The Moon is the proper nouns, not the moon. Mglovesfun (talk) 21:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Please don't put fixed links on regional templates. {{Canada}}
, for example, is used to put entries into Category:Canadian French, and potentially for regionalisms in many other minority languages. —Michael Z. 2010-02-07 17:34 z
{{Canada English}}
(template "Canadian English" redirects to Template:Canada); but I guess we can live without them if Template:Canada is language sensitive. At entrée a defn discusses both Canadian English and the French Canadian region, but I think this can go in the usage notes instead. (also posted to user's talk) Facts707 20:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC){{Canada|lang=fr}}
. This applies to the Scottish and Irish labels, for example, but I haven't reverted them because as far as I can tell they have only been used for English to date. —Michael Z. 2010-02-08 21:16 z{{Canada|Northern Ontario}}
). I've also created a few more-specific templates like {{Canadian Prairies}}
to cover Canadian provinces and regions I've seen labelled in some other dictionaries, but I may have been getting too specific (at least it can help keep the label text consistent). —Michael Z. 2010-02-08 21:25 zI have reverted for now your removal of the idiom category for rhetorical questions. As idiomaticity (in some sense) is supposed to be a requirement for inclusion of multi-word entries in en.wikt (excluding Category:Phrasebook/Category:English phrasebook), there is a presumption that such terms are idioms in some sense.
The larger question of which definitions of "idiom" should be used for purposes of inclusion in wiktionary has not been addressed to my satisfaction. Our discussions often never rise above our slogan, "all words in all languages", and the uselessly inclusive Pawley criteria. I would welcome your thoughts on the substance of idiomaticity and on some useful process for harnessing thought in idiomaticity to our inclusion/exclusion decisions.
The inclusion/exclusion debate is, in my view, mostly a kind of strategy or timing question. I believe that we need to encourage efforts to improve quality to get repeat usage and word-of-mouth. Others believe that inclusiveness will lead more people to us. Very little of this is explicitly discussed, however. DCDuring TALK 16:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
==> copy of reply to DCDuring talk: Thanks much for your comments. After looking at the "English rhetorical questions" category I agree that they should all be idiomatic (I did remove two entries from that category because they were not defined as questions). I don't mind have the "English rhetorical questions" (sub)category in with the English idioms category, it should be useful.
Lately I've been to trying to trim down the "English idioms" category to remove unnecessary duplicates such as all 26 of the appendices of the editors' picks (which are included in a separate box, now just one line, at the top).
I don't know if there is a way for anything included in "English rhetorical questions" to be automatically included in "English idioms". There doesn't seem to be a template for "English rhetorical question" as there is with "idiom". Also, one "rhetorical question", who's 'she', the cat's mother? is listed with a question mark at the end, while all the others are not. I think it should probably be one way or the other - I kind of like the question mark at the end personally.
Finally, I agree, the idiomatic inclusion/defn. criteria could be better defined.
thanks again, <== Facts707 20:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
What makes you think that this is the preferred formatting of alternative spellings? --Dan Polansky 13:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
This would be a worthwhile principle to establish, one way or the other. I think I agree with your approach. But rather than implement it wholesale or in edit wars, it might be better to bring the matter up at WT:BP with a rationale. It could then become a matter of cleanup and be implemented universally (one way or the other). DCDuring TALK 18:22, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
{{also}}
is for very similar page titles, while the header ====See also==== is for topically related words. Cheers. Mglovesfun (talk) 18:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Three letter code = language code. {{top}}
and {{mid}}
are to be deleted for the same reason. Mglovesfun (talk) 23:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Related to this question: homosexual is not a term used solely in gay culture; it is used widely in mainstream culture. So (gay culture) is not an appropriate context tag for that word. A context tag should only appear when usage of the term is restricted to a particular profession, subculture, or region, and is therefore not used by the general population. --EncycloPetey 19:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Please do not remove horizontal rules between language sections. They're supposed to be there, and our maintenance bots will only put them back anyway. You don't need to be in an edit war with the bots. --EncycloPetey 19:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
As I indicated (twice) in my edit summary, the "homo bar" quotation you provided is attributive use of the noun, and not an example of an adjective use. This happens often in English, although it is seldom taught in school. Phrases like "computer table", "horse pasture", "book cover", etc. are all using a noun in front of another noun as a modifier. We don't provide separate definitions for these uses.
You might find better quotations for the adjective by searching for collocations of words like "more homo", "most homo", "very homo", which will more likely produce results demonstrating use as an adjective. --EncycloPetey 21:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Please look at the definitions of "rat"; there is more than one. The combination "gym rat" adds no additional idiom. Also, we tend to avoid using {idiom) on Wiktionary except in rather picturesque situations, like horse's mouth. Some users have argued quite strongly that the "idiom" tag ought to be eliminated in favor of something more precise. --EncycloPetey 21:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
{{idiom}}
tag in Wiktionary for two or more word phrases where the meaning cannot be inferred from any combination of the definitions of the component words. Thanks for being patient! Facts707 21:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)Appendix:Glossary#I says that the adjective idiomatic includes idioms as well as other things like colocations (which may be idioms as well). Note that idiom implies idiomatic, but idiomatic does not imply idiom. However, Template:idiom redirects to Template:idiomatic. I think is a least an inconsistency, if not an error. Facts707 22:40, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Please note that we place all category links at the end of the language section, after all the other information about the word. This way, they're always in one place and easier for future editors to find. --EncycloPetey 15:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
It may be "easier to find", but the point of the original pagename is that it's a set phrase that includes the verb. Your change implies that "price of tea in China" can be used in other expressions. If so, then you really ought to document that with some quotations. --EncycloPetey 18:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Not really related to a tea category? Equinox ◑ 22:32, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
I've deleted this mainly because it was misspelled, and category moves don't work. However, you might want to reconsider having it. Wiktionary does not rely on the many layers of categories like Wikipedia. We prefer larger incllusive categories, rather than numerous subdivisions. Too many categories means that non-English-speakiing users can become lost in the unfamiliar terminology. --EncycloPetey 06:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't see how teetotaller is a word about alcoholic beverages. It'd fit much better is a Category:Alcohol, as there are words that pertain to alcohol (like drunk, drunken, drunkenness) that don't pertain to beverages. Mglovesfun (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
We link only key words likely to not be known by users. We do not link every word, just as we don't in the definitions. Links can be more distracting than helpful in some situations. --EncycloPetey 05:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, please see . The templates are designed to word together,m so only one set of parentheses is used instead of several. --EncycloPetey 05:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
This section has been moved to WT:BP#Etymologies - invitations for, compounds, hyphenated compounds, compounds containing spaces vs. phrases, etc. Please make any new comments there. Thanks for the lively discussion, Facts707 14:37, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
{{compound}}
So, originally it resolved as "foo + bar". A lot of editors (including me) prefer full sentences for Etymologies, so there are many entries which say for example From {{compound|foo|bar}}. which after your changes came out as "FromCompound of foo and bar." There are also more discursive etymologies which say things like, "Origin uncertain, perhaps {{compound}}
..." where the initial capital isn't appropriate. Also, more broadly, I think a + b is better than saying "compound of", which is a little jargony, not used by any dictionaries AFAIK, and in my opinion best kept for conversations between editors. Ƿidsiþ 05:20, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi. The major English dialects all have labels in adjectival form, e.g., Australian, British (the label is not “UK”), Irish, Scottish, South African, etc. The exception is “American”, which is ambiguous because historically American English has often included Canadian English, so we use US. This is in accordance with all major English dictionaries; see J. Norri (1996), “Regional Labels in Some British and American Dictionaries.”
Oh, and the other exception is India instead of Indian, because the latter could be confused with American Indian, etc. —Michael Z. 2010-05-07 19:35 z
Read the box at the top. Conrad.Irwin 19:17, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello, any chance you would put a babel box on your page? See also {{Babel}}
. --Dan Polansky 08:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
What primary reference is this? The citation you added uses it with no capital letter, so it's not that. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:18, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
You should not be deleting images from articles. --Dan Polansky 10:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Re this edit, is this an Afrikaans word? If so, shouldn't the language header and inflection template be switched? If not, why should the entry be placed in Afrikaans topic categories? --Yair rand 01:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The vote Categories of names is going to end soon, after receiving contributions of only a few people. (it proposes a number of renamings, in this pattern: Category:en:Rivers to Category:English names of rivers)
It would benefit very much from your vote, even one of abstention.
I assume you would be interested in this subject, as I am sending this message to everyone who didn't vote yet, but participated in the discussion that introduced the vote, and/or in this poll, which received far more attention than the vote, and is closely related to the proposal in question.
Thank you. --Daniel 16:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I made it more purely descriptive. We don't have a good way of using evidence to show the facts of usage. I think I could support the current usage note using evidence from COCA and BNC. DCDuring TALK 19:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi Facts. Would you like to become an administrator on this wiki? You've been here a while, have great edits, and seem like a friendly chap. --Rockpilot 02:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
It's actually common in English for a verb-object pairing to occur like this, and we don't generally count it as adjectival usage on the strength of such a construction alone. In addition to saying "my sneaked food", you can say "my held paycheck" or "her spilled drink". That's not to say that no construction like this with a past participle can be an adjective; we just look for stronger evidence than simple appearance of a past participle in front of a noun. --EncycloPetey (talk) 22:13, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
For this entry, you moved a sense one day (), but not related translations. They are still present today , but these translations seem to be adjectives, prepositions not. So maybe they should be removed? I'll let you operate. Regards, — Automatik (talk) 21:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi, when making a plural entry the noun section should be like this:
{{head|en|plural}} # {{plural of|<word>|lang=en}}
N.B. the use of {{head}}
. Also, to make things even easier and faster you may be interested in using the accelerated creation tool. To use it go to WT:PREFS and tick the master checkbox at the top, and far down tick the checkbox for "add accelerated creation links for common inflected forms" or something like that. User: PalkiaX50 talk to meh 09:52, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, {{Category:en:Eye}}
displays the content of the category page Category:en:Eye, while {{C|en|Eye}}
adds the category to the entry. — Eru·tuon 19:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I'm not sure if you are actively editing anymore, but I've mentioned you at Wiktionary:Requests for verification/English. Your input there is welcome. Cnilep (talk) 23:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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When you remove references, please make sure to remove empty references sections as well. – Jberkel 11:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)