Why are these macros like Template:fi linking to language names? I think common target is to use unlinked base text for these "meta names" of languages. Aulis Eskola 19:58, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
Have a look at nl:fins and look at the source. It will enable people to copy text from en: or nl: and use it in an other wiktionary. GerardM 09:09, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
Sorry about using User page for messages...
I undestand that it will enable people to copy text from language to another - I have already started to use these macros. More exactly said: I mean why are these macros in format ] ? Double square brackets effect linking to language name and target has been that common language names are not links. I prefer language names without linking (without square brackets) also in macros like msg:fi (= Finnish), if there is no special need for linking. I have changed some already. Aulis Eskola 19:39, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
Gerard, I'm not sure what kind of problems you're having with vi:Tiếng Đức. But I did check the page for misspellings. The page didn't have any misspellings, but I did go in and add many alternate spellings, synonyms, etc. (Vietnamese is very non-standardized when it comes to proper names.) – ] 01:32, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, I was tired and didn't think to list some of them as synonyms. But some of them really are just variations in spelling, capitalization, or punctuation. – ] 14:30, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The problem in Vietnamese is figuring out which spelling is the preferred one, since Wikipedia is case-sensitive and cares about hyphens etc. What I've started to do is to go with a more traditional spelling, i.e. separating words and capitalizing each segment, instead of using hyphens. Well-respected websites like the BBC Tiếng Việt tend to follow this convention, so I'm probably going to go with it, and redirect alternate spellings to the "preferred" form. – ] 21:20, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Some of us have a greivance with your bot filling up Recent changes because its changes are not marked as bot changes. Please stop running it until it has official bot status. I do appreciate the work it is doing but we have specific bot support to keep Recent changes useful and it's very important that it be used. If there is no response I will ask on IRC and may even block the bot's user account for a short time. (A version of this message also appears on the bot's talk page) — Hippietrail 07:10, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
FYI I have now a bot that can upload new content. It is being used on the scn:wiktionary. Here they have chosen to upload the minimal content as it will encourage people to contribute. It is also an encouragement to the people that have promissed 60.000 Sicilian words with an Italian translation.
PS it can run on en: as well when we have content .. GerardM 15:12, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Copy of message in Beer parlour. Please reply there for all to see.
Can you point us to a copy of the ISO639-3, please --Richardb 11:41, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Hi Gerard, I volunteered to write a bot to do the first letter thing. I haven't written a bot before but since you have I thought I'd ask you how it's done. Are there Wiktionary pages on this topic containing a tutorial e.g? Ncik 17 Apr 2005
Gerard,
I've created this page Wiktionary:Project - Ultimate Wiktionary and started to populate it with information and links to the Ultimate Wiktionary project in WikiMedia.The idea is just to have a local space to inform current Wiktionary users about the Ultimate Wiktionary project.
It would benefit from just some of your time to really put some useful links in. Please. :-)
--Richardb 05:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You are now an admin. I know that we have had strong differences recently, but it would have been abusive of me to continue withholding that status. In all cases, I do and will continue to delay appointments. In those circumstances I am often looking to see whether the person will go away, or whether he shows too much urgency about becoming a sysop. I hope that despite our differences we will find areas where we can find common cause. We have agreed that en:wiktionary should have some kind of decapitalization of first letters, but I think that neither of us would have wanted it to happen the way it has.
As for UW, we still have a wide gulf between our opinions about that. I do think that it has a role, but not one that is so all-encompassing as what you see. I can see it as an important network for translations that draws from and ties together all the various language wiktionaries. I absolutely do not see it as something that will obviate the need for these separate projects. I appreciate that you have said that the separate projects will not be forced into a union, but your confidence that they will gives a contradictory impression. Frankly speaking, I think that your way of expressing yourself makes you seem worse than you really are. Here, based on the experience of one immigrant individual who went on to become provincial premier, we have a lot of jokes about flamboyantly stubborn Dutchman. :-)
In any event, I hope that the future emphasis in relation to UW and other matters, will be on those points where we agree. Eclecticology June 30, 2005 17:01 (UTC)
I just could not resist :-) congratulations for Adminship on en.wiktionary.org - I believe it will be a constructive co-operation. Ciao! --SabineCretella 30 June 2005 17:50 (UTC)
Language templates are deprecated, especially their use in translation tables. Please refrain from using things like Template:m, too. Ncik 17:24, 13 Jul 2005
Gerard,
Thanks for taking the time out for our conversation today. It really is important that we continue to work together, not only to try to make UW a reality, but to make Wiktionary better along the way. Since language is a barrier, it is more imporatant than ever to clarify terminology.
There were many things from that conversation I either misunderstood, or am otherwise at odds with now. Again, none of this is intended as a personal attack - I am just trying to understand your logic. Some of the terminology you used is ambiguous. Most was not. But some of the terms you used do not mean the same thing, apparently. Data corruption seemed to be an exaggerated case, where we were talking right past each other.
For this entire message, I shall talk about external data integrity: how the data appears outside of the squid servers. What it is doing internally is of little consequence - none to this conversation.
For this conversation, I will talk only of the Dutch Wiktionary and the English Wiktionary as nl:wikt: and en:wikt: respectively. I will talk of the day before the Dutch lowercase conversion as "Day before", the day after the conversion was done (and converted to lowercase) as "Day after" and the day one month later as the "Month after". Likewise, I will use the same headings for the comparable events on en:wikt:.
You asserted that an intrinsic data "corruption" occured at the moment the nl: wikt: became case sensitive. But you apparently had the same uppercase 1st letter to lowercase 1st letter conversion performed for you? How then did the external view change (once the process was complete)?
You asserted that nl: and en: handled the conversion to lower case differently. But later you said the conversion itself was the same, you (nl:) just procedurally delete redirects. If that is how you look up words in nl:, well, who am I to say it is wrong?
But when transposing the analogy to en: though, it doesn't work so well. As I said, we look up terms in only 26 letters even though our alphabet has 52. How terms are sorted into a dictionary is completely case-insensitive...therefore looking up a term is also completely case insensitive.
We leave the redirects intact. We crosslink our #3 splits, so that if the external link was for the lowercase version, it can still find it.
There were a gazillion other things said, but I'm too sleepy at the moment. Good night.
Connel
Thanks,
OK, so this first truth table indicates what the Dutch Wiktionary looks like as a result of their "lower-casing" one year ago. This is with the assumption that essentially all redirects on the nl.wikt: have been deleted (in column labeled "Month after (iii)".) The "Day after (ii)" columns shows the "broken" state before the cleanup has happened.
Also note that a better example for section 2 would have been "Amsterdam." Since you don't follow general Wiktionary practices of "all words in all languages" you don't seem to have nl:Kind either. If you know of a more illustrative example for section 3, please indicate it.
| Type | URL or link | Day before (i) | Day after (ii) | Month after (iii) |
| 1a) Term should be lower case | http://nl.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/dog | finds article at Dog | finds article at dog | finds article at dog |
| 1b) Term should be lower case | http://nl.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/Dog | finds article at Dog | redirects to dog | 404 |
| 1c) Term should be lower case | dog | finds article at Dog | finds article at dog | finds article at dog |
| 1d) Term should be lower case | Dog | finds article at Dog | redirects to dog | <redlink> |
| 1e) Term should be lower case | dog + | finds article at Dog | finds article at dog | finds article at dog |
| 1f) Term should be lower case | Dog + | finds article at Dog | redirects to dog | finds article at dog |
| (i) | (ii) | (iii) | ||
| 2a) Term should be upper case | http://nl.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/god | finds article at God | redirects to God | 404 |
| 2b) Term should be upper case | http://nl.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/God | finds article at God | redirects to god | finds article at God |
| 2c) Term should be upper case | god | finds article at God | finds article at god | <redlink> |
| 2d) Term should be upper case | God | finds article at God | redirects to god | finds article at God |
| 2e) Term should be upper case | god + | finds article at God | finds article at god | finds article at God |
| 2f) Term should be upper case | God + | finds article at God | finds article at god | finds article at God |
| (i) | (ii) | (iii) | ||
| 3a) Split article into upper and lower case | http://nl.wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/kind | finds article with kind and Kind contents at Kind | finds article with kind and Kind contents at kind | finds article for kind only at kind |
| 3b) Split article into upper and lower case | http://nl:wiktionary.orghttps://dictious.com/en/Kind | finds article with kind and Kind contents at Kind | finds article with kind and Kind contents at kind | finds article for Kind only at Kind |
| 3c) Split article into upper and lower case | internal nl: link to kind | finds kind and Kind at Kind | finds kind and Kind at kind | finds kind at kind |
| 3d) Split article into upper and lower case | internal nl: link to Kind | finds kind and Kind at Kind | finds kind and Kind at kind | finds Kind at Kind |
| 3e) Split article into upper and lower case | kind + | finds kind and Kind at Kind | finds kind and Kind at kind | finds kind at kind |
| 3f) Split article into upper and lower case | Kind + | finds kind and Kind at Kind | finds kind and Kind at kind | finds Kind at Kind |
| 3g) Split article into upper and lower case | kind + | finds kind and Kind at Kind | finds kind and Kind at kind | finds kind and Kind at kind and Kind |
| 3h) Split article into upper and lower case | Kind + | finds kind and Kind at Kind | finds kind and Kind at kind | finds kind and Kind at kind and Kind |
Since the en.wikt: practice is to not delete the redirects, only the following items behave differently:
In each of those cases, I cannot see how the nl.wikt: method is superior.
In the cases where you dislike redirects as misspellings, just change the text at nl:MediaWiki:Redirectedfrom to say "(Incorrect capitalization of word as $1 has been redirected here.)" or however you would say that in Dutch. Much easier than hunting down all those redirects on nl.wikt:.
Now of course that doesn't work for other languages, particularly ones (like nds.wikt: or en.wikt:) that use redirects to indicate inflected forms that are correctly spelled. (Please also note that en.wikt: no longer condones that practice...as such redirects are found they are being corrected with inflection stubs.)
--Connel MacKenzie 01:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Gerard,
To wrap up what we were talking about above, please don't change the subject (yet) to all Wiktionaries. We have so far been talking about only en: and nl: with occasional mention of others only for illustration. The realm of this discussion has not evolved to UW level yet: I'm still trying desperately to clarify what you are saying so I can understand it clearly. I agree that the UW situation is not pretty for redirects, but that is not yet what we are talking about!
Anyway, back on topic, from the teleconference, I gleaned several points: 1.) In English orthography, capitalization is irrelevant. Spelling errors are not capitalization errors, nor are capitalization errors spelling errors. Perhaps (erm, evidently) in Dutch they are.
2.) REDIRECT vs. redirect. Gerard, you maintain that there is a semantic difference between A.) a redirect for "technical reasons," i.e. a move, B.) a redirect for valid alternate spellings, C.) a redirect for valid alternate capitalization, D.) a redirect for valid alternate (relevant) punctuation and E.) invalid spellings/capitalizations/punctuations. I can certainly see the difference between E vs. A,B,C,D, but I cannot in good faith make any distinction between A, B, C and D. Or perhaps I could say that A should only be done because it is one of B or C or D. (Note that on en:, moving an article to the correct spelling will get the leftover redirect deleted pretty quickly, requested or not.)
3.) I finally learned that your major complaint about redirects is the simple text "(Redirected from _____)" because that implies that both are valid. (Note that in English, therefore on the English Wiktionary, this is true...both are valid...see #1 above.) I agree that it would be nice if one were able to customize the redirect message for each and every redirect (including blanking, if so desired, i.e. on nl:.)
4.) On the "Gerard" list of future development requests is for a bot that searches all of Wikipedia for "[[wikt:" and if that link points to a Wiktionary redirect, change the Wikipedia link to the redirect's target.
5.) Also on list: request that external links be made to mimic the "" button functionality - have extensive 404 parsing/handling to determine if it is a naked lookup term (i.e. no "?" after it) then apply all the same rules to the lookup that the button gets.)
6.) Also request: Make all lookup case sensitivity a user preference.
Finally, yes, I do appreciate your copious quantities of helpful edits, particularly the 'bot edits. Interwiki links are easier to understand now that they are becoming more common. I suspect they will gain in popularity, as people learn to depend on them.
Kind regards,
Connel MacKenzie 06:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello Gerard, I am an user of Spanish Wiktionary fascinated with the project of UW. I ask myself if we will be able to move easily to UW pages done with template structures such as es:abonanzar, because a good amount of entries in our community are made with templates. On the other hand, it's not my purpose to be a stressmaker, but I was also wondering if you have a timeline for iniciating the project, or just a guessing. It would be good to have an idea about it because some of us don't collaborate thinking that this collaborations may be useless work if it cannot be moved to UW. Regards --Javier Carro 10:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
gerald semper blotto's trolls have to go. look at what he or she is doing creating undicts and causing a impersonation. what do you have to say?
You gave no reason for deletion in the deletion summary, and there was no RFD discussion. What was the reason for your deletion of what appears to be a perfectly acceptable article? Uncle G 18:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Gerard,
Do you keep logs of changes your bot makes? Is it possible to get a list of all entries that the bot removed "en:" entries? In November/December, it seems to have removed a lot that were actually the old depricated Wikipedia style links. I had posted a cleanup list on WT:RFC a while back, but it was a low priority task. I'm not certain that that list covers all such tags your bot might have removed. The list I generated was for namespace=0 only.
Connel
In the past, you could link a Wikipedia article be using the "en:" prefix in your wikilink - this has been replaced by "w:" that we use now. The old syntax still works though.
Your 'bot doesn't single them out; it simply assumes that the links (presumably back to itself) are invalid, and removes them.
My list is at Wiktionary:Requests for cleanup#Words with old links. One example "incorrect" edit by the 'bot is: http://en.wiktionary.orghttps://en.wiktionary.org/w/index.php?title=sic&diff=680585&oldid=655134.
--Connel MacKenzie T C 09:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
By "binned" you mean "sent to the trash bin?" Oh my. I though you were referring to a compression tool. --Connel MacKenzie T C 00:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Do you know of any way to list all the edits of RobotGMwikt (and grep "Removed"|grep "en")? --Connel MacKenzie T C 00:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
On the page tabernacle you have used Template:gil which does not exist. Can you please add that template because I don't know what language you mean (+page tabernacle looks bad now)? --Thv 19:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could you please update you bot with newest pywikipedia software. There are a lot of changes now. Thank you --Sasa Stefanovic talk 16:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Gerard,
Your bot makes good work with the interwiki-links, but there is a mistake with the Serbian summery. Perhaps you will find "Áîò" in the msg-section of the script and can change it to "Бот" :).
Greetings --Red Baron 16:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed a lot of manual entries of interwiki links lately. Is your bot no longer refreshing from XML dumps? --Connel MacKenzie T C 15:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, this is A-yao of the Min Nan(zh-min-nan) Wiktionary. May I request that "Sek-ín:ji-sìⁿ"'s interwiki be left as Chinese(zh) "Wiktionary:姓氏"? Thank you for your understanding.
Hi, this is A-yao again of the Min Nan Wiktionary (zh-min-nan). May you please let your robot check if there are missing interwikis. Thank you for your cooperation.
We need your bot. We had made at about 300 articles after your bot had revised the interwiki. Did it had a bot flag already? If yes, why doesn't it run in the Min Nan Wiktionary regularly? A yao 14:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, GerardM! Please see above message. This is A-yao of the Min Nan Wiktionary. I logged-in as A yao becuase I made an A-yao account and forgot my password. Please disregard if I forgot to log-in. 203.76.211.238 09:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I have no account at WiktionaryZ, so I leave you this message here. I would like to discuss an important point that nobody else seems to really consider (or that everybody prefer not to consider): how could a multi-language wiki be possible? I understand that sub-communities are envisioned, with, probably, discussion rooms by language. Anyway, what about discussions (and votes) at the project level (e.g. « may website names be included, and on which conditions? »). It seems that the current view is that such discussions will be in English. This would exclude many contributors (maybe most contributors), either because they cannot speak English at all, or because they think their level in English is not advanced enough. And this would make WiktionaryZ an anglophone wiki (which already appears clearly enough if you consider its name).
I am afraid that many wiktionaries could decide to migrate to WiktionaryZ and then to disappear. But I am convinced that many contributors of these wiktionaries (which often are rather few) will, immediately or after a while, stop participating. Therefore, the anglophone part should benefit of it, but all other parts will progress much more slowly than now. I don’t think that this is the objective. One major interest of the Wiktionary (and Wikipedia) concept is that all languages are equal, and that everybody can participate equally. This major strength would be lost.
I do not mean that your work at WiktionaryZ is useless. I can make two different proposals using it:
I give my strong preference to the first proposal, because the second one would probably not work as simply as I explain it (it still could imply, in some cases, discussions between people not understanding each other). But I am convinced that, without this kind of change in its objectives, WiktionaryZ simply cannot be a success (remember the Tower of Babel project: it seems that it was not very successful). Lmaltier 20:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
???? Why is RobotGMwikt inactive in all Wiktionary projects? A yao 11:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
--Londheart 22:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Gerard,
Thank you for signaling your confidence in my ability to act as a CheckUser for the English Wiktionary. Your vote means a lot to me. I deeply appreciate it.
You may not be aware, but the Meta: policy dictates that there must be multiple CheckUsers on any given project, or else none will be granted. Each must get 25 votes on their local wiki, as per Meta: policy, to be granted the CheckUser privilege.
I'd like to take a moment to endorse my friends and co-runners. Each of them offers different skills that, as a whole, complement the needs of the English Wiktionary.
I hope you can take a moment to consider these fine candidates again. Your support means a great deal to them, as well as to Wiktionary's ability to perform its own CheckUser checks in a timely manner.
Thank you again, for your support.
--Connel MacKenzie 06:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi GerardM,
I have added an interwiki (on :fr and on :en) and RobotGMwikt has removed them. Do you have an idea why? This interwiki is real: one meaning of fr:automobile is en:automotive and another one is the already noted en:automobile.
Can you do something for it to not remove it again please?
Regards, Eden2004 09:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Gerard
I'm the Keith Dixon from whom you quoted in your Wiktionary definition of tobogganing. I'd just like to say thanks for quoting me, though I dare say it was your robot who found the quotation.
Thanks anyway!
Keith
Hi, I started to wonder about a couple of edits by RobotGMwikt on sv.wiktionary: in the edit it removes three iw links I believe are quite valid as the articles in question in ko:, pl: and it: all existed at that date (according to their respective version histories). Or have you changed something concerning the tasks of the bot? This edit does not seem to be isolated though, when glancing through the last 15 edits, all removals seems to have been of valid interwiki links. \Mike 12:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have a similar question about your robot's edits. It removed the iw link to the Greek wiktionary for the word βοῦς. Ι suppose this might have happened because the word el:βοῦς actually redirects to the word el:βους. Nevertheless, since this is what we usually do in el.wiktionary, I think there should be iw links to polytonic redirecting to monotonic and I'd appreciate if you did something to fix it. --Flyax 12:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Would you care to add vo.wiktionary to the list of Wiktionaries your bot processes? Thanks, Malafaya 18:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi there GerardM - as the most friendly face in the nl-N user category could I please ask you to have a glance at Wiktionary:Feedback#roepingetje. Thank you Conrad.Irwin 19:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Re: 03:15, 20 May 2008 Ruakh (Talk | contribs) m (190 bytes) (Reverted edits by Wayne Roberson, Austin, Texas (Talk); changed back to last version by RobotGMwikt)
Gerard: Thanks for removing my citation. I moved it to Citation / User Talk. Wayne Roberson, Austin, Texas 17:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi! On the Swedish language Wiktionary we've decided to use a customized sorting order for interwiki links, as described by "Dodde-order" on sv:User talk:Conrad.Irwin. We've also decided to include interwiki links to redirect pages. Unless you are able to change your interwiki link script settings, we would like you to stop further editing on Swedish language Wiktionary, so that we can avoid a bot flame war. Thanks, Skalman 22:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I do not want to come across as contumelious but please consider casting your vote for the tile logo as—besides using English—the book logo has a clear directionality of horizontal left-to-right, starkly contrasting with Arabic and Chinese, two of the six official UN languages. As such, the tile logo is the only translingual choice left and it was also elected in m:Wiktionary/logo/archive-vote-4. Warmest Regards, :)--thecurran Speak your mind my past 02:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
I urge you to vote. (I don't know which way you'll vote, but I want more voices, especially English Wiktionarians' voices, heard in this vote.) If you've voted already, or stated that you won't, and I missed it, I apologize.—msh210℠ 17:00, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi GerardM,
I created a "Citations" tab in autrice, with some Dutch ones, and I was wondering, as you have recorded the pronunciation of a lot of Dutch words, if you would like to record the pronunciation of autrice (and autrices, autricetje, autricetjes) in Dutch? You could use Lingua Libre for that. Thanks a lot for your help! Thomas Linard (talk) 14:05, 25 November 2020 (UTC)