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Enjoy your stay at Wiktionary! Ultimateria (talk) 17:29, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure why you did diff. The gender is already on the main page of the noun, why copy it to every inflection as well? —Rua (mew) 21:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Sorry, I realise now that I should have asked about that first. I saw it done on numerous recent inflection pages by Wrzodek (e.g. telebimowi, telebimów) and since he is a native speaker of Polish and an editor with much more experience than I, I assumed it was an active rule. Could it be an active rule, or should I remove this change and similar changes? İLAWA—KATAKA (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • There is no specific rule against it, but a general principle of Wiktionary is not to repeat things on different pages, and also to keep inflection entries to a minimum. Those two things together mean that inflections shouldn't repeat things that are the same as the lemma. This is why we do not repeat the table of inflections on inflection pages, the etymology, etc. Some people think it's ok to repeat the gender, but that breaks with the principle I mentioned so I don't understand why genders should be the only exception. —Rua (mew) 10:42, 6 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

While there is nothing wrong with removing lang= like you're doing, a bot can easily do this much faster than a human. So you may decide it's not worth bothering. —Rua (mew) 18:26, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

• Is there a specific bot with this function? and if so, how might I direct it to do this? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 18:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • There is no specific bot to do it, but I could easily write one and have it running in five minutes, as could others like User:Benwing2 who are experienced with bot-writing. So it's really more a matter of when we decide to do this kind of edit in bulk, than of how hard it would be to do it. As for when that is, I don't know. But there's no rush. —Rua (mew) 18:52, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
    • I will still make similar edits when I need to edit inflection pages for other reasons (e.g. incorrect headers, missing forms), but I will now focus only on necessary edits. Thank you for your responses. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 19:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
      • I already have code to do this conversion, and I tend to do such conversions whenever I do other bot edits to {{inflection of}} or similar tags. I agree there's no rush to convert everything; this will take a while in any case, as there are > 1,000,000 uses of {{inflection of}} and a given bot can only change one entry a second. But if you (Ilawa-Kataka) want me to do a bot run on some subset of calls to {{inflection of}}, I can do that. Benwing2 (talk) 20:00, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
        • Of what type of subsets do you, Benwing2, speak (e.g. Category:Polish adjective forms)? Would I request this of you, Benwing2, on your talk page? Are there criteria I require to make such a request? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 20:46, 4 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
          • Examples could be all Polish noun forms or verb forms. In general, anything identified by a category or by references to a given template. Just mention it here or on my talk page. Benwing2 (talk) 01:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
            • @Benwing2 Thank you for operating WingerBot on the pages you have already. There is one thing I notice, however—it only removes the lang= for inflections that use more than one combinable set. Is this an error or intentional? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 18:56, 5 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
              • In this case it was intentional, as I was primarily interested in cleaning up invocations that used multiple tag sets. In the process I moved |lang= to |1=, but I ignored the template calls with only one tag set. This is not a general limitation, though, and I can change all template calls in a given subset if you want. Benwing2 (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
                • @Benwing2 As I thought, but I wanted to check anyway. I agree with prioritising the pages with multiple sets, so proceed as you have been. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 19:17, 5 May 2019 (UTC)Reply
• Similarly, creating wanted categories is perfectly fine, but you should be aware that Ben runs a bot to do just that every few days, so it doesn't actually require human labour. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 20:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • It's just something fun to do while I wait for my ride. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 20:41, 25 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hey. Are you using a bot to make the Polish entries? If not, it would speed things up a lot. If so, that's awesome. Someone might come along one day and say your bot hasn't been approved, and block you. So, I suppose you should just say "I'm not using a bot" and it'll be fine. --Vealhurl (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

• I do not use a bot, I just copy and paste the pages and replace the necessary information. I check everything twice even after publishing to minimise standing error. I might make a bot in the future, but I am aware of the process of getting it approved. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 18:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Good answer. I am much more sloppy. Maybe 1 or 2% of my edits are bad, but I figure that's OK. Very very occasionally I even make deliberate mistakes for fun, to see if anyone else notcies. --Vealhurl (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi. No need to go so deep on etymologies in languages with no interaction with Mooré or Dyula languages. I don't know why you felt the urge to do it. Extra categories are also redundant. It's all contained in the definition {{place|ru|country|r/West Africa|t=Burkina Faso}}.--Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 05:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Atitarev I did this because all Burkina Faso entries ultimately come from the same source and are therefore somehow derived from Moore and Dyula. {{c|XX|Burkina Faso}} (and its synonyms) is the only way to mark the entries as being related to Burkina Faso. Furthermore, several of the edits you reverted on Буркина Фасо were actually just cleanup. I think that the issue of the etymology may be a problem best dealt with on one of the discussion pages (the Scriptorium or the Parlour) unless there is a policy of which I am unaware. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 14:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hey. Are you that guy who works for the Ostrowiec Świętokrzyski tourism board who made a page for Ostrowiec Świętokrzyski on 200 Wiktionaries? --Undurbjáni (talk) 22:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Undurbjáni No, I am a university student in Conception Bay South. Are you talking about Świętokrzyskie3 (who is currently blocked by request)? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 23:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Ah, that guy. What a legend. 15 blockings or so. --Undurbjáni (talk) 23:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Undurbjáni Too bad he became a vandal, some of his edits were very productive. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 01:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Some of the most productive users become vandals eventually, especially those with limited-interested editing. The key is to have lots of different projects on the go at any given time. --Undurbjáni (talk) 17:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

You're also invited to the party. Refreshments will be served. WelcomeSnack (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi, welcome to the party. WelcomeSnack (talk) 00:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@WelcomeSnack Hello, did mean for me to join Discord? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 01:36, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

You are most welcome. Thanks for joining! WelcomeSnack (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello,

How do I know that your Kyrgyz edits are accurate? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 23:29, 4 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Atitarev I do searches targeting Kyrgyz websites (especially major ones like ky.wikipedia.org and abal.kg) to verify widespread use of the inflections. I do know a bit of Kyrgyz and they look accurate anyways, but I do my best to be sure. Is that good enough, or should I stop and/or revert? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 23:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

I don't want to stop you if you're doing some research before editing. Don't rush with this, please. Accuracy is more important than filling all the missing inflections. Also, I think for proper nouns, we need alternative templates or parameters so that only singular forms are shown. It is odd to see Австралия (Avstraliya) to have plural forms, don't you think? --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 00:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Atitarev I actually meant to discuss that with a template editor—there is no way to exclude plural forms from the template without editing the template itself. I will bring this to someone's attention tomorrow since I am not that experienced with template editing. I realise now that I should have done that first. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 02:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

And I have no intention of rushing to do every declension in Kyrgyz entries, I just do random things from time to time. I have been trying to be more careful after the Burkina Faso incident. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 02:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

OK. Thanks, please do. You can seek assistance at WT:GP. I'll have a look too when I have more time. Don't worry about Burkina Faso. There's no 100% agreement on this but generally editors don't go too deep in etymologies. --Anatoli T. ^{(обсудить}/^вклад) 08:03, 5 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately, I have no intuition when it comes to borrowed proper nouns like that. Taking phonetics into account, it should take the masculine gender - in this case, it would be declined like a normal masculine inanimate noun, with the genitive taking the ending -a, because proper nouns like to show some degree of animacy at times. But apparently this specific word is so rarely used (well, the average Polish person does not really know the Russian oblasts except for Kaliningrad xd) that it hasn't been incorporated into the normal declension system. There's just no need for that. Because of that, at least according to PWN - and they are the most reliable source when it comes to such problematic loanwords IMO - the noun is indeclinable and should be rather precedided by the noun "Republika" to form a noun phrase so that the problem with gender can easily be solved - the phrase will take the feminine gender of the main component while the nominal complement will stay indeclinable. However, PWN also says that the synonym of the phrase "Republika Mari El/Eł" is simply "Mari El/Eł" but does not specify the latter's gender. Idk man, it seems to me that some user on the Polish Wiktionary decided that Mari El is feminine/neuter somewhat arbitrarily, and failed to provide any reliable source for those claims. I tried to Google it, but I've found nothing, so I can't really help you with that, sorry :/ Shumkichi (talk) 23:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

• Lol, I know how to spell xd It was just a typo. Shumkichi (talk) 23:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi!

Some nitpicking:

1. You're missing {{zh-forms}}.
2. Optional but preferred:
   1. adding |mc=y (Middle Chinese) and |oc=y (Old Chinese) to {{zh-pron}};
   2. adding Compounds.

If you want to, you could try using my (undocumented) entry generation template {{subst:#invoke:User:Suzukaze-c/02|newhz}} (of note:

• |c= Cantonese,
• |m= Mandarin,
• |rhk=y, |rtw=y, |riso=y various reference templates

).

—Suzukaze-c (talk) 23:35, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

• @Suzukaze-c I would gladly improve my work, but I am not sure I am yet qualified—I only do what I do because I do not trust myself to recognise the sort of considerations I might have to look for when adding what you mentioned. I also do not know what to do with {{subst:#invoke:User:Suzukaze-c/02|newhz}}. Can you advise me? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 23:50, 20 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

  zh-forms: Just a plain {{zh-forms}} is fine. If there's an appropriate simplified character, it's certainly unimportant/marginal enough that Unicode added it in the last few years (and some mysterious IP-address editor will get to it).

  mc/oc: If there's no data, {{zh-pron}} won't show anything anyway, so there's no harm in writing =y.

  • As for {{subst:#invoke:User:Suzukaze-c/02|newhz}}: you write it in the edit box, and when you save the page, it transforms permanently into expanded entry text (you can also check output with Show preview or Show changes). —Suzukaze-c (talk) 02:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)Reply
    • @Suzukaze-c 好，我知道了。谢谢你！İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 11:43, 21 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Hi, you seem to be creating a lot of Chinese entries of Japanese place names recently. Please note that they have to satisfy WT:CFI and have a minimum of three attestations in Chinese sources, or else they may fail RFV. RcAlex36 (talk) 17:44, 20 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@RcAlex36 I was checking them, but I only skimmed Google Books looking for sources without kana, and when I tried to read them just now I realised they were not Chinese. I will be offline for a while soon, but what should I do? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 18:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'm not sure if 新篠津 satisfies WT:CFI, but the others look fine so just leave them as they are. RcAlex36 (talk) 16:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@RcAlex36 Excellent, thank you. If 新篠津 does not satisfy WT:CFI for Chinese, it would certainly satisfy WT:CFI for Japanese, so I can replace the Chinese entry with a Japanese entry if that would be better—I am planning to add the equvalent Japanese entries as well. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I will take extra measures to make sure my entries meet WT:CFI in the future. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 16:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

We don't need to necessarily replace the Chinese entry with Japanese just yet. You can add the Japanese entry, and we can send 新篠津#Chinese to RFV to see if it meets WT:CFI. — justin(r)leung _{{ (t...) | c=› }} 18:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Justinrleung Yes, thank you. I only meant that I would do that if it failed RFV. If you want, could you add it there? I am not very familiar with that process. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 18:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@RcAlex36, Justinrleung Just added my first Japanese Japanese city entry at 石狩. Is it to standard? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 19:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Suzukaze-c, could you please take a look at their recents edits on Japanese? Thanks. RcAlex36 (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

These are for linking groups of entries that have something in common, not for organizing. The Coriariaceae is a very small family, with only 15 species that are mostly rather obscure. I doubt that any language has more than a few common names for plants in the family. There's really no point in having a category to link two or three terms that very few people have ever heard of. I've replaced your category with one for the order that the family belongs to, and even that is a stretch- almost all the members are already in Category:Gourd family plants. I'll see how many terms I can find to go in it. It includes the begonias, so there's at least some potential. Chuck Entz (talk) 04:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

You might want to consider adding a link to {{R:pl:ISNP}} to these surnames if it's attested there. Vininn126 (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for letting me know about this. I will add it to all future surname entries as well as the ones I have created already. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 21:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Cheers! Vininn126 (talk) 21:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Also I see you are interested in place names - a good etymological dictionary for them would {{R:pl:NMP}}. Vininn126 (talk) 21:48, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Awesome! And if you know any other dictionaries I can cite, keep them coming! İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 22:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

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Hi,

Do you have more character glyphs to add or change? I ask because there are a couple dozen other wiktionaries that use versions of this module, and I'd rather copy over your changes all at once to reduce time spent.

Thanks, kwami (talk) 22:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I will be adding more until all printable characters are covered in the Arabic block and I will also replace the ones that are GIF or PNG. I can copy over my own edits once they are complete, or every few characters. Also, how would you rate the quality of my characters, is there anything I should be doing differently? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 23:15, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

They look fine to me.

It looks like you're matching what I've uploaded, which is nice (so that the block has a consistent look), and are also optimizing the file size, which is better than I've been doing. Also making the dotted circle that carries diacritics grey is nice.

One minor detail: all of my files are 16x16 pixels. Commons reads them as 15x15 because they contain some Inkscape garbage that confuses it, but if you clean that up Commons will recognize them as actually being 16x16. I just cleaned up File:U+06AD.svg so you can see what I mean: I didn't change the size of the canvass, I just used an ap to strip out the Inkscape cruft.

I should probably go through and degarbage all the letters I uploaded, but that's a big job, and I've been working on the cleaning up the astronomical etc. symbols I've uploaded first. kwami (talk) 23:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I'll go back and fix that. I actually was trying to emulate your format, however the 15 x 15 was something I accidentally introduced in my latest round of optimisation which was assisted with SVG Optimizer.

I use Adobe Illustrator for the primary geometry and then Notepad++ for optimisation; I also test in Inkscape to make sure it's compatible for people who use that program.

By the way, some of your latest optimisation work has a tiny bit of excess code. For example, the female symbol outline () has a few redundant parameters, and the coordinates can be reduced without any visible changes (I downloaded it just now and managed to reduced the file size by 63 bytes). If you want I can show you what to look for to maximise optimisation or help more directly, or let it be since it's not a big difference. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 00:34, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sure, you can resize those images if you like, but I don't know how important it will be since they're all square and so tend to display rather consistently no matter which dimensions are used. If someone uses them without specifying dimensions, they'll display a bit smaller than the others, of course, which I suppose might make a visible difference somewhere, but I doubt it will be of much importance. Your decision on whether it's worth your time. I was just thinking that for future creations you might prefer 16x16.

For reducing my existing symbols, I didn't bother to upload if decrufting didn't reduce the file size by more than 10%, because I didn't think it was worth using our upload capacity for changes more trivial than that. Your reduction is right at my (completely arbitrary) cut-off. You're welcome to upload it, of course (I hope that doesn't sound patronizing, I just mean that I have no objection, not that there's any reason I should), but with the thousands of similar files I've uploaded, it would take me too much time to edit them all in Notepad for such a minor improvement. If using an app achieved 80% of the reduction with 20% of the effort, I figured that was good enough. I did find that it often made a substantial difference for me to 'ungroup' the individual elements and then 'combine' them, or to merge overlapping points/corners into a single polygon etc., before degarbaging, so I did a lot of that, but even that minimal amount of work took me a lot of time. kwami (talk) 01:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I see that just removing xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" saves 34 bytes. I might occasionally do that if it nudges a file to under 1kb, but don't want to do it to several thousand files for such a tiny savings. kwami (talk) 01:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't think that tiny difference really matters to me either, and right now I'm generally focusing on filling in the gaps. I only went back and fixed the small things because I just got started. Thanks for taking the time to respond. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 01:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

That's cool.

At the risk of being annoying, I notice images like File:U+0611.svg aren't square. I've tried as much as possibly to keep everything square, because that way users could display them with either a set width or a set height (or even both, where the browser will apply the dimension that most reduces the display size, and which is quite common on WP-en), and either way they'll be consistently sized with other images in a table or line of text. I had to make a few exceptions, but that means that for those files users will need to manually override their default dimensions if they set a fixed height. In the case of diacritics like in File:U+0611.svg, there's no particular reason that it needs to be 19px tall, just because that's where the font places it, because the placement of the diacritic will vary with the carrier letter. When I've created files like that I've moved the diacritic down (or up) so that it fits in the 16x16 square. That way it will display consistently with the rest of the script no matter which dimensions users use. I think there were only a very few cases where I had to make a height exception for diacritics. kwami (talk) 02:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Absolutely no problem, I'm always open to feedback. I'll fix that tomorrow, since I'm about to go to bed. Just to be sure, is it the same case with File:U+0620.svg? İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 02:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Personally, yes, I've made files like U+0620.svg square. It's going to be a judgement call. You might look to align it vertically with other yeh's like File:U+0626.svg and File:U+064A.svg, but even if that doesn't work, remember that adding extra space on top isn't going to fix anything because on WP files display with their bottoms aligned, so the letter will still be set too high compared to others. Adding empty space on top will only force an increase in line spacing if it's used inline in text. kwami (talk) 03:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

If you want something to play around with, is one you should be able to reduce substantially. I've gotten it down to about 600 bytes, but it doesn't display correctly on Commons that way. kwami (talk) 05:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

I managed to reduce it to 402 bytes, but I don't have overwriting rights. You can copy the code here:

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="16" height="16"><path d="M8 .666A3.346 3.346 0 0 0 4.666 4a3.349 3.349 0 0 0 2.668 3.266V8l.332.066.334.368.334-.034.332.268V7.266A3.349 3.349 0 0 0 11.334 4 3.346 3.346 0 0 0 8 .666zM8 2c1.11 0 2 .89 2 2s-.89 2-2 2-2-.89-2-2 .89-2 2-2zm-.666 7.666v2H5.668V13h1.666v1.666h1.332V13h1.666v-1.334H8.666v-1.332l-.332-.268L8 10.1l-.334-.368-.332-.066z"/></svg>

And I am very sorry I missed one of your previous comments: do not remove the line xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg". SVG files rely on that to receive style information, while it may appear correctly in some programs and browsers, others don't accept it. İʟᴀᴡᴀ–Kᴀᴛᴀᴋᴀ (talk) (edits) 14:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. That was my error. Commons said it was missing style info, so I tried leaving in some of the html style definition. But I see you've removed it all. I never would have figured that out. kwami (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply