User talk:Diligent

See Wiktionary:ALA#Breves_should_not_be_used_at_all; this is what I was going by. Regarding the macron on the -ax, L&S doesn't always show all the macrons, unfortunately. Caladon 10:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

ok. i wont copy/paste it in the future.

I put {{rfp|lang=fr}} instead of an empty pronunciation sections, as that's what we use here when there's no pronunciation, unlikely fr:Modèle:pron which handles both cases. Mglovesfun (talk) 09:38, 19 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

is there one so that I can correct taquet? --Diligent 14:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

• No, there isn't one (yet). The best thing to do is put: "From a northern form of Old French X (compare Anglo-Norman Y)." Ƿidsiþ 14:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

It's REALLY simple. Mglovesfun (talk) 10:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)Reply

waouh. ouais !

Juste un petit coucou pour te dire que je suis content que tu ailles bien. À bientôt. Amitiés. Chrisaix 08:05, 5 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Bonjour Diligent! :) Après avoir parlé avec Mglovesfun, j'ai découvert qu'ici on utilise cet apostrophe-ci à la place de ce que tu as utilisé pour presqu’ile (qui maintenant est un redirect).
En plus, je te conseille de regarder mes modifications sur presqu'île. Tu le saurais sûrement, mais tu peux facilement trouver la prononciation sur le CNRTL dans la section "Lexicographie" (pour le IPA) ou "Morphologie" (pour le SAMPA/X-SAMPA), mais parfois il y a des fautes...
C'est tout, happy editing et bonne journée! Pharamp 14:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

sorry for that. I did a copy+paste from the french page. I cannot visualize the difference between apostrophies on my screen. --Diligent 14:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Oui oui no problem - and thanks for your edits, they are always very interesting :) If you need anything, contact me! Cheers, Pharamp 15:00, 6 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the entry. I didn't realise the word had undergone a change in meaning. Equinox ◑ 13:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)Reply

my gut feeling tells me it did so in English too. Our great-grand-parents had to fight the same formal habits of Victorian/bourgeoise society... The English word is borrowed in French in the 1920's, very popular in the 50's and 60's and had lost its appeal and meaning in the next generation.

You have entered "obejmout" as "obe-" +‎ "jmout". I cannot find any attestation of Czech *"jmout" (the forms would be *"jmu", *"jmeš", *"jme", etc.) Can you demonstrate that "jmout" is a real Czch word? --Dan Polansky 09:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Hm, Rejzek's etymological dictionary has "jmout" as a term. The term is also in "Internetová jazyková příručka". An attestation would be along the lines of "jala ho hrůza" and "zprvu jal se mi mazati trochu medu kolem úst", if one believes "Internetová jazyková příručka". I am sorry for the unnecessary request. --Dan Polansky 10:10, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

yes, i found some attestations on the net see copy paste on fr:jmout, feel free to edit or tell me if i did a mistake.--Diligent 10:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

The French-Wiktionary attestation "K typu tnout řadíme například slovesa jmout a pnout (a jejich odvozeniny)" is a mention one, not a use one; the keyword is "use-mention distinction". Basically use is when someone uses a word to refer to a thing that comes under the meaning of the word, mention is when someone talks about a word. When I say '"cat" is a noun', that is a mention of "cat", not a use of "cat". English Wiktionary requires that attestations are of use rather than mention, reasonably so IMHO.

The French-dictionary attestation "Chápu se koštěte a jmu se zametat palubu od třísek a pilin", found on a blog, looks okay. --Dan Polansky 11:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

you are right. I would not have put it, had other examples been available. But as even you questionned the existence of "jmout", it is a disappearing, if not disappeared verb and the example might be ok in this respect.

jmu = Latin emo. And on the passage from Latin to French, the emo completely disappeared, leaving us only (as is currently happening in Czech) the composites. --Diligent 12:29, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

You are saying some interesting things about "jmu" (first-person present singular of "jmout") and Latin emo, and French, but I am not sure I fully understand. You seem to be saying that cs:jmu is etymologically related to la:emo and that there is some French form--an analogue of cs:jmu--that has disappeared from French, leaving only derived terms behind. Out of curiosity: what is the French form and what are its derivatives? --Dan Polansky 19:54, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

The source of relationship emo=jmu is Julius Pokorny

What happenned in the transition from Latin to French (amongst many other things, one being the influence of Germanic speaking invadors ; something which happened in Bohemia too ;-) is that "Romanic" speakers chose to use preferably the "perfect" aspects of the verbs because (you can sense it being a Czech speaker) it has a "stronger" sense, more meaningful.

The tense aspect of "perfect/imperfect" was somehow replaced by other ways of expression (our imparfait and passé simple, etc.)

The HUGE advantage in doing so (besides using "stronger" sense) was that "Romanic" speakers started to use only the Latin perfectum which is regular (first declension) based on the supine of the root verbs

• emo > emptum > nothing

• coemō > coemption (vedecké slovo)
• comō > compter
• dēmō > nothing directly but vīndēmiō → vendanger (vino-jmuti) first group verb
• dirimō > dirimer (vedecké slovo, "wrongly" recreated as a first group verb)
• eximō > exempter
• perimō > périmer (same as dirimer, not a direct evolution)
• prōmō > prompt, no verb
• redimō > rédemption, rédempteur, no verb
• sumō > own set of first group derivatives with prefixes résumer, consommer,

to take other examples

• edo > editum > éditer, nothing directly from edo
• colo > cultum > cultiver, nothing directly
• compleo > completum > compléter
• facio > irregular faire with its own set of compounds but
  • calefacio > chauffer, redone as first group on Low Latin
• premo > pressum > presser

etc.

of course there are exceptions, but this is a strong rule of evolution. When a verb is too complicated to use or too irregular, it is substituted with simpler example.

--Diligent 20:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! --Dan Polansky 11:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Please use {{delete}} instead of {{rfd}} on bot errors like nusibles. --Mglovesfun (talk) 14:12, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Reply

The text above already says that only the forms without b- or w- descend from this root. —CodeCat 19:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Reply

yes, of course. --Diligent 19:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)Reply